Worse than 2025

Good examples of what’s going on. The truth is it’s getting impossible to live together.

Wow. A few hundred years of our DNA mixing, people being mobile, borders getting easier to cross, cultures working together to discover the origins of the universe (see who works at CERN), and that’s it huh? We can’t do it? The human experiment is done and we should go back to the jungle, or the plains, or some dark hollow, wherever it is we came from.

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That’s one way of putting it. A lot of people on both sides would be fine with separation.

I am afraid you are right.

I am wondering if the alternative is not between civil war and brotherhood ?

Imagine !!!

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And a lot of people don’t realize how interdependent we all are. Cell phones have material and parts from all over the world. Without cross cultural cooperation we would have a much more primitive world.

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Peaceful separation is possible

Different groups can cooperate without being forced to live together.

As for cell phones, they have made the world more primitive. That goes for all tech. Life was better before the digital age. Not to mention it’s bad for the environment.

Well yes. It has to be seen as symbiotic or it won’t work.

What is bad? Farming that takes fewer people to feed more? Painless dentistry? The ability to divert an asteroid?

I mean tech as in gadgets – phones, tablets, etc.

Okay, true, those came with some problems. But I wouldn’t trade the commincation, the connectedness, for what we had before. Not to mention computing power. I think we’ll figure out the social problems

Separation would be the end of USA, and the end of democracy in many places.

Look at a political map of the USA, county by county. Both sides are mixed everywhere, even in different proportions.

Political map of USA

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It’s about strategy . . .

Aug 12, 2024 #MSNBC #Trump #2024election

George Conway and former Trump aide Sarah Matthews join Jen for a wide-ranging conversation on Trump’s recent conspiracy peddling and the threats of a second Trump term.

Aug 12, 2024 #MSNBC #Trump #2024election

As Americans become increasingly aware of the likelihood that Republicans will try to subvert a potential 2024 election loss by Donald Trump with a plan to hijack the election administration apparatus and prevent (or just make a mess of) the election certification process, more people are wondering how to stop such a scheme from happening. Noah Bookbinder, president of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, talks with Rachel Maddow about a new expert report that outlines strategies for combating efforts to interfere with the certification of the vote.

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Newly leaked training videos confirm how the staffing initiative of Project 2025, the controversial rightwing plan for the next Republican presidency, is gearing up for a major effort to replace non-partisan civil servants with conservative loyalists, and is being led by many former Trump administration officials.

One centerpiece of that program is dozens of never-before-published videos created for Project 2025’s Presidential Administration Academy. The vast majority of these videos — 23 in all, totaling more than 14 hours of content — were provided to ProPublica and Documented by a person who had access to them.

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I hope these are right. Many Trump voters last time believed he was a good businessman, that he would moderate himself, some even thought he was the antiwar candidate. Now, it’s all conspiracy, essentially anti America.

He and Vance should drop out and see who rises, it might actually be a good person, representative of more citizens.

Trump cannot “drop out”. He is not running to be president. He is running to stay out of prison.
This is why he is preparing for civil war. He cannot afford to lose.

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That would require them to be selfless like Biden or Roy Cooper. That’s not in their nature. Scorpion and frog. Guy and racism. You know.

Trump is not that stupid. He might get detention at Mar a Lago. I doubt any worse

No, he might spend the rest of his life in prison. This is not unusual in the course of world history. Many dictators have been incarcerated or worse after they were deposed. One of the mildest punishments is banishment.

He has several more court cases. If he is found guilty on these additional counts, it would be a miscarriage of justice to let him skate, while there are people doing hard time for much less. We are not talking about misdemeanors but felony crimes!

Bush war crimes. Nixon pardoned. Keep going back and the press knew things they didn’t tell until the people were dead. Miscarriage is America’s middle name.

True, those were High Misdemeanors, but I don’t think they were committed for personal gain, but for a misdirected sense of responsibility to the Nation.

And it is true, sometimes a Nation is forced to take actions that might be considered criminal under normal circumstances, but are warranted for the protection of the Citizenry and National Security.

OTOH, every action by Trump is not for a perceived public good, but for the benefit of Trump, and that makes it a High Crime., IMO.

The same as I see the acceptance of tax millions of dollars in free gratuities (quid pro quo) by Supreme Court justices as a High Crime, over and above Misdemeanor.
These people, entrusted with lifetime appointments, swindled the public who supported them with their tax dollars.

Dont hold yourself back on the current crime of genocide. Lets ignore that one Harris Biden