Ok, let me spell it out. We are a country of laws, correct? Well, tell me what you think the law of the gun is. Is it a written or unwritten law? What laws does it represent or enforce? Please explain, you know most laws are just words on paper. Yet, the cops here have guns. Why do they need guns if they have laws? What are the percentages of countries throughout history that have had to use guns or other weapons to enforce laws? How do you look at the police force, as bullies or protectors? Do they have guns to bully us or to protect us? In a system that has used guns as an equalizing force for centuries. Why would anyone think that removing that force from schools and making it a safe zone would be a good idea? What’s next, will we have cops protecting the children when they are riding the buses to and from schools? Would we be talking about this today if teachers had been allowed to have guns? How do you locate a school today? Just look for a big building with police cars parked in front. That’s no joke in the cities. I haven’t had the time to see why the killing happened. The first talk was that the kid was unbalanced. I remember back in Denver as a school child, of a school shooting taking place. The first time I had heard of such a thing. The reason the guy shot up the school was because the government back then was trying to force all children go to school. Today we have home schooling. I still don’t understand the medical student that shot up the movie theater in Denver. A fear is that some group of religious terrorists will walk into this country and hit a bunch of safe zones at the same time killing thousands.The US gun law (2nd Amendment to the Constitution) is a law of the jungle - does not belong in the civilized world. Cops are employed by representative governments, they are not some random bozos with guns; their purpose is to enforce all kinds of laws that are needed for a civilized nation. Some gun-tottering nuts 'equalizing' the cops!! Are you totally out of your mind?? Cops are not needed at all for protecting children at school or in school-buses in countries that have good laws and law enforcements to ensure low crime rates. All nations have mentally sick people. It is not possible for everyone to know what someone else has in his/her mind. But the state should have a duty to ensure that lethal weapons do not fall into wrong hands. You fear terrorists? That is good. Me too. But your thinking that people need easy access to guns for protection against terrorists is absolutely foolish. Your way would allow terrorists to buy powerful guns and cause havoc in the USA. In fact, I am surprised that with such easy access to powerful guns, more of the Islamic terrorist attacks have not happened thus far in the USA. For protection against terrorists, the country needs tough immigration laws to exclude potential terrorists. The country also needs to cut down on the freedom of religion, so that blind faiths that include killing and dying for religions are not permitted; even the blind following of the less offensive components of such religions should be discouraged.
Fun fact: I have always wanted to buy an AK-74. Unlike most liberals I support the right for people to bear such arms. I do in fact support greater firearms regulations and government oversight. Do you have any idea what kind of limbo that puts me in? The left thinks I’m a redneck that thinks any firearms restriction is a crime against God. The right thinks I’m a sellout. 
Fun fact: I have always wanted to buy an AK-74. Unlike most liberals I support the right for people to bear such arms. I do in fact support greater firearms regulations and government oversight. Do you have any idea what kind of limbo that puts me in? The left thinks I'm a redneck that thinks any firearms restriction is a crime against God. The right thinks I'm a sellout. :PWhat do you expect telling people you'd love to own a fast efficient people killer, since you're too late to get in the Buffalo killing boom, think of what a hero you'd a been back then.
Fun fact: I have always wanted to buy an AK-74. Unlike most liberals I support the right for people to bear such arms. I do in fact support greater firearms regulations and government oversight. Do you have any idea what kind of limbo that puts me in? The left thinks I'm a redneck that thinks any firearms restriction is a crime against God. The right thinks I'm a sellout. :PIf you support greater firearm regulations and government oversight, you probably are not a gun-nut. Now, could you explain how the government should regulate to ensure that guns would not be in mentally sick and irresponsible hands? On this thread, for example, in the 1st paragraph of the 1st post, the mother was irresponsible and the son was mentally sick. Also, explain how you would justify an AK-74 for yourself.
Hmm why… well because guns are fun to shoot and semiautomatic rifles are even more fun to shoot. But I will probably buy a pistol first. I think they need to increase the strictness of all guns though. Not just the “scary” assault rifles. ?Also damn Citizen what’s got your hackles up? I also would never hunt buffalo i’m Vegan. Don’t you dare group me with the conspiracy theory Nuts just because I want to own a firearm >:(. This kind of all or nothing hyper tribalistic partisan garbage is why American politics is so utterly screwed at the moment and your not helping.
Hmm why... well because guns are fun to shoot and semiautomatic rifles are even more fun to shoot. But I will probably buy a pistol first. I think they need to increase the strictness of all guns though. Not just the "scary" assault rifles. ?Also damn Citizen what's got your hackles up? I also would never hunt buffalo i'm Vegan. Don't you dare group me with the conspiracy theory Nuts just because I want to own a firearm >:(. This kind of all or nothing hyper tribalistic partisan garbage is why American politics is so utterly screwed at the moment and your not helping.Excuse me, but even Vegans with a hard-on for automatic rifles, are scary dudes. Especially when it seems that it's all about fun and getting one's rocks off. Don't get me wrong, I have the feeling if we met each other and had to spend a day working together, we'd get along quite well, I'm just addressing the notions you're tossing out, with my own notions. And don't get me wrong I know how to use a rifle and even have a hunter safety card, the weapons themselves I don't have a problem with, (Although I've always thought it was pure legislative insanity to remove the assault weapons ban and I figured it would inevitably result in the kinds of idiotic shooting incidents we see today. - Even wrote some letters to legislators back then. Most the school shooting in another saner day would have been left to a fist fight that lasted a couple seconds, ending some wrestling around in the dirt, then bragging rights or slinking away, then we got on with our schooling. Today the same silly shit goes down and they wind up going to funerals. It was all pretty damned predictable.) even if they scare me into respecting them with a good dose of caution.
This kind of all or nothing hyper tribalistic partisan garbage...All or nothing - Well you know AK47s in themselves are an all or nothing kind of thing. That's what makes them so much scarier than single shots, and why they are considered military killing machines and nothing else. Or yes, guess I it would be unrealistic to ignore that they are also great masturbators for some - and some find that a great social value, or something like that. Me I just see the slippery sliddy slope and the direction all this is taking all of us towards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDbHXScJylA Notice the back legs, then leg, hanging on for dear life.
?Also damn Citizen what's got your hackles up? I also would never hunt buffalo i'm Vegan. Don't you dare group me with the conspiracy theory Nuts just because I want to own a firearm >:(. This kind of all or nothing hyper tribalistic partisan garbage is why American politics is so utterly screwed at the moment and your not helping.First you say "unlike most liberals", then you say this. I think I see where the problem is. Liberals and conservatives have a very high degree of agreement on sensible gun laws. There is a well funded and well organized minority that tries to make every movement in that direction appear to be an assault on freedom.
Hmm I seriously don’t think liberals and conservatives have any real consensus on gun control. At least in my option and my own experience. I am currently getting into the hobby of firearms but I like to distance myself from the politics of the local gun owning community. Since it is all totally right-wing and obviously quite paranoid and unhinged. People arguing about if they should conceal carry two guns instead of one. And is 9mm if strong enough to protect yourself with. Oh yes… full on paranoia, make sure you carry one in the chamber and keep the safety off, safeties are for liberals.
Welcome to Texas I suppose. I don’t know why gun owners should be seen as scary Citizen. Every man in my family has owned guns except me until recently. We have never had any problems :p.
Hmm I seriously don't think liberals and conservatives have any real consensus on gun control. At least in my option and my own experience.Look up any poll you want. There is 90% agreement on background checks. Also high are closing the gun show loophole and even some form of registration. I think "assault weapons bans" would poll well too if they figured out a good definition. High velocity bullets and high capacity magazines would be a good start.
I am currently getting into the hobby of firearms but I like to distance myself from the politics of the local gun owning community. Since it is all totally right-wing and obviously quite paranoid and unhinged. People arguing about if they should conceal carry two guns instead of one. And is 9mm if strong enough to protect yourself with. Oh yes... full on paranoia, make sure you carry one in the chamber and keep the safety off, safeties are for liberals.Just a heads up: guns are more fun with other people — especially as you seem to be new to it, but it sounds like you will have trouble fitting into the culture. Think twice before spending all that money.
] I don't know why gun owners should be seen as scary Citizen.Where did I say I disapproved of gun owners? Can't find it can you. I never said that. It's the gun lovers "enthusiasts" that give me the heebie-jeebies, particularly the one's that have turned their guns into their lil demi-god of sorts. Well Hollywood love for gun play and blood and guts, don't do much for me either ;-) Like a bunch of kids, with zero conception or concern for creeping consequences.
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Hmm I seriously don't think liberals and conservatives have any real consensus on gun control. At least in my option and my own experience.Look up any poll you want. There is 90% agreement on background checks. Also high are closing the gun show loophole and even some form of registration. I think "assault weapons bans" would poll well too if they figured out a good definition. High velocity bullets and high capacity magazines would be a good start. I thought they already did background checks? I think they should have a general firearms license which requires training. And make the selling of private firearms illegal. It's the private sellers that get away with the loophole. The banning of assault weapons would be nice, but I think they should focus on increasing security for handguns even more, handguns are by far the firearms that are used in the most armed crime, suicide and murder. "Assault weapons" only come up when we have a mass shooting, but handguns are the weapons spilling the most blood on our streets.
...........I think they should have a general firearms license which requires training. And make the selling of private firearms illegal. It's the private sellers that get away with the loophole.Indeed, guns should be treated as lethal weapons, as opposed to toys. Securing a license from a government authority after a reasonable training and a thorough background check would be the right way to possess guns. Allowing selling guns privately or transferring guns to heirs with no government oversight is too irresponsible for a nation.
I read an editorial not long ago in a local newspaper which claimed that the vast majority of Americans approve of guns, and to support his case, he cited the overwhelming popularity of television shows like “Walking Dead” and “Falling Skies” and so on. He claimed that shows like this prove that most of the American people are comfortable with the idea that some day the government is going to collapse and everyone will need a gun to protect himself from the aliens or the zombies or the government men in black. I just had to shake my head very slowly. Is this simply a case of confusing fantasy with reality, or does it run deeper? I mean, I don’t like shows such as these precisely because their “survival-by-any-means-necessary” morality is questionable, and my opinion is that they tend to desensitize people to gun violence.
I read an editorial not long ago in a local newspaper which claimed that the vast majority of Americans approve of guns, and to support his case, he cited the overwhelming popularity of television shows like "Walking Dead" and "Falling Skies" and so on. He claimed that shows like this prove that most of the American people are comfortable with the idea that some day the government is going to collapse and everyone will need a gun to protect himself from the aliens or the zombies or the government men in black. I just had to shake my head very slowly. Is this simply a case of confusing fantasy with reality, or does it run deeper? I mean, I don't like shows such as these precisely because their "survival-by-any-means-necessary" morality is questionable, and my opinion is that they tend to desensitize people to gun violence.See my list at the bottom of page 5. Yes, people see the good guys hitting their targets and everyone else went to Storm Trooper training and can't hit a spaceship, let alone people running towards it. They see people killing a dozen people and walking away from it smiling because they just completed whatever mission. I think it was this thread that Mike pointed out how easy it is to do a mass shooting, and he says nothing about how everyone who does that either gets killed, kills themselves, or at least gets arrested. In real life, terrorists groups keep running out of suicide bombers and have to find new leaders and start new cells and new factions, they never get to actually being the government. In the case of revolutions, when someone does get control of the military or gets the backing of another country's military, they become the ones who control the guns and kill the intelligentsia and repress the poor. There's an indie film that just came out, made in Northern Minnesota, about a young girl shooting her first deer. It actually deals with what it's like to kill something. It's called Cold November. See if you get the chance. https://www.coldnovemberfilm.com/
I read an editorial not long ago in a local newspaper which claimed that the vast majority of Americans approve of guns, and to support his case, he cited the overwhelming popularity of television shows like "Walking Dead" and "Falling Skies" and so on. He claimed that shows like this prove that most of the American people are comfortable with the idea that some day the government is going to collapse and everyone will need a gun to protect himself from the aliens or the zombies or the government men in black. I just had to shake my head very slowly. Is this simply a case of confusing fantasy with reality, or does it run deeper? I mean, I don't like shows such as these precisely because their "survival-by-any-means-necessary" morality is questionable, and my opinion is that they tend to desensitize people to gun violence.Lol why didn’t the writer just produce statistics about American attitudes toward guns? Maybe the focus of the piece was really on the shows. It’s a big stretch to interpret shows about supernatural dystopias as being proof that we’re comfortable with dystopias. Specifically, guns make the most artistic sense here simply because they're the most believable tool for killing the zombies or whatever. Not to mention it’s far from uniquely American, in foreign movies guns are always the primary weapon.
Lol why didn’t the writer just produce statistics about American attitudes toward guns? Maybe the focus of the piece was really on the shows.Well, yes, the anonymous writer did also mention the "Rosanne" reboot, and seemed delighted at the outrage he imagined among Liberals. His theme seemed to be about how out of touch with mainstream America all the Liberals in Hollywood were.
Lol why didn’t the writer just produce statistics about American attitudes toward guns? Maybe the focus of the piece was really on the shows.Well, yes, the anonymous writer did also mention the "Rosanne" reboot, and seemed delighted at the outrage he imagined among Liberals. His theme seemed to be about how out of touch with mainstream America all the Liberals in Hollywood were. I watched 3 Roseannes in a row last night, the first 3 I've seen. They are totally nailing it. It's not about presenting an ideology, it's about people dealing with the ideology marketplace we are in right now, plus the problems of losing their jobs at 40 years old and teaching kids about gender issues. I hope liberals tune in, despite Trump's tweeting.