I honestly don’t feel any sane person can say we don’t need gun control. I don’t pretend to say what measures should be adopted but I am willing to bet any and all gun control laws will reduce the carnage in our nation.
Gun control is effective in America, the problem is that its impossible to tell when someone might snap.For that to be true, there must be a lot less mental illness in the rest of the world. For that to be true, you would have to alter our understanding of the human mind.Not necessarily. "Snapping" doesn't require a person to have a history of mental illness, many factors can push some over the edge in a short amount of time. A relevant example that comes to mind is Charles Whitman] and a brain tumor being the probable catalyst in his actions.
How about we bring down the rate of firearm deaths per capita in this country–a whopping 10.54 per 100,00 population, so that it equals the rate of firarm deaths in the civilized countries of the world? Lets start with our neighbor, Canada, a minuscule 1.97 per 100,00 people; Sweden, 1.47; Norway, 1.75; Denmark, 1.28; Finland 3.25; Australia, 0.93; Germany, 1.01; France 2.83; Greece, 1.52; Hong Kong, 0.03; Hungary, 0.95: Iceland 1.25; India, 0.28; Ireland, 0.8; Israel, 2.09; Japan, 0.06, United Kingdom, 0.23; even Mexico has less per capita, only 7.64. The United States is outdone only by such countries as Columbia, Venezuela, Guatemala, Jamaica, Panama, Swaziland. All of these figures, incidentally, include suicides, accidental and unintentional firearm deaths.
Why does the US, a reputedly civilized country, have such a high rate in all categories? I’ll leave it to you to figure it out. How about we keep strengthening gun control laws until we have a rate equal to Canada’s–a country socially, economically and racially very similar to ours, where hunting is also a countrywide sport?
Let’s start there, then maybe we can eventually match UK’s rate. Let’s figure out why US firearm death rates are so high and why other countries with similar social problems are so low. How about we have gun control laws like those countries have? Why not? Is there something so wrong with Americans and American government that we can’t do that?
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Nobody has that idea, that's why we already have a system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_SystemHow the hell would you know, you're not even American...Well, even here at KGB hq, I can look up relevant information.
And there is no effective system of gun control in America, watch the video you pathetic troll, the asshole that blew 59 people away and wounded over 500 more some of which will also likely die had 20 guns with him and an automatic weapon that he burned through clip after clip with. It was a war zone in Las Vegas and it remains one across the US as long as insane lobby groups like the NRA are allowed to dictate gun laws through their pets the republicans.Incorrect. Gun control is effective in America, the problem is that its impossible to tell when someone might snap. Why are so few people "snapping" in countries with civilized gun control laws? What is it about America that so many people "snap"? One, thing, of course, is that we make sure anyone who is likely to "snap" is heavily armed with as many automatic weapons as possible. Maybe that's why we have so many people "snapping" in the US and committing mass murder--along with the unconscionably high number of people who murder with firearms one at a time. Lois LL
Though I have never been a "fan" of the Second Amendment I have supported it because I have always feared the possible consequences in changing our constitution. That being said, I will no longer support the Second Amendment as written.We could all support the Second Amendment if it were interpreted the way the founding fathers intended. The problem is it's been twisted and pummeled to mean something entirely different, supported by two terrorist organizations--the NRA and the Republican Party. Lois
Nobody has that idea, that's why we already have a system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_SystemHow the hell would you know, you're not even American...Well, even here at KGB hq, I can look up relevant information.
And there is no effective system of gun control in America, watch the video you pathetic troll, the asshole that blew 59 people away and wounded over 500 more some of which will also likely die had 20 guns with him and an automatic weapon that he burned through clip after clip with. It was a war zone in Las Vegas and it remains one across the US as long as insane lobby groups like the NRA are allowed to dictate gun laws through their pets the republicans.Incorrect. Gun control is effective in America, the problem is that its impossible to tell when someone might snap. Why are so few people "snapping" in countries with civilized gun control laws? What is it about America that so many people "snap"? One, thing, of course, is that we make sure anyone who is likely to "snap" is heavily armed with as many automatic weapons as possible. Maybe that's why we have so many people "snapping" in the US and committing mass murder--along with the unconscionably high number of people who murder with firearms one at a time. Lois LL Please don't feed the troll, it just makes it look like he has a position to debate. There is no real gun control in a county that has 4.4% of the world population and 40% of guns in civilian hands and adds more per year than most other nations have in circulation. And gun deaths off the charts compared to other comparable countries. America has a gun death rate 600% higher than Canada and 1,600% higher than Germany. This isn't because Americans are all bloodthirsty lunatics, it's because the few bloodthirsty lunatics there are in the country have easy access to weapons that allow them to do maximum damage. Canada has a population of just over 36 million and 10 million guns. We have a gun death rate of 5 per million a year. The US has 323 million people and over 310 million guns and a gun death rate of 29 per million a year. You'd need the most complete police state in history to control that many guns and as I have family in the US who own guns and know gun collectors and competition shooters, I know for a fact that guns laws are at best a band aid, there are so many loopholes and grandfather clauses to make the NRA happy that they're meaningless. There needs to be a mandatory national screening system, restriction of the most dangerous weapons like handguns and assault rifles and a way to remove as many weapons as possible from the nations streets. As long as all those guns are out there people will keep using them to kill other people and themselves. Any other claim is insane, the violence never ends and keeps getting worse as the NRA/gun makers consortium kills any bills that might kill their heavily armed golden goose.
Why there's no real gun control in America right now. https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.o6ex2SiPnThe articles here (and DougC's argument) are very specious. The message is that Chicago has sky-high gun crime because straw purchases are easy to make in the regions surrounding the city - which have lax gun laws. Bullshit. Gun crime is high in Chicago only in the ghetto areas, for reasons obvious to everyone. The suburban and rural areas where these straw purchases occur don't have massive gun crime. Its not like having lax gun laws is inherently dangerous; the local population is more predictive.Q: Where do you get an illegal firearm? A: From someplace where it's legal. A new report from the Trace, a Michael Bloomberg-backed media organization seeking to resolve the roots of gun violence across the United States, sheds further light on the "apparent paradox" of Chicago's consistently high rates of shootings despite the city boasting some of the country's strictest gun laws. In 2014, Chicago saw 390 murders and more than 2,500 shootings, adding to its reputation as one of the U.S. cities with the highest absolute numbers of shootings and killings (though not when adjusted for population). Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy blamed the city's epidemic of violence on the widespread availability of guns. "If these guys [were] throwing rocks at each other we wouldn't have this problem," McCarthy told the Chicago Tribune (paywall). Gun-rights supporters often point to Chicago's endemic violence as evidence that gun control doesn't work. But the Trace's investigation suggests the real problem is the lax gun laws everywhere else. Citing Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives data — which shows that approximately 60% of guns used in crimes across Illinois came from out of state — the Trace built an infographic demonstrating just how many guns flow into the city from states with less restrictive gun laws.http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459053141/straw-buyers-of-guns-break-the-law-and-often-get-away-with-it https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-chartsAmerica is an exceptional country when it comes to guns. It’s one of the few countries in which the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. But America’s relationship with guns is unique in another crucial way: Among developed nations, the US is far and away the most violent — in large part due to the easy access many Americans have to firearms. These charts and maps show what that violence looks like compared with the rest of the world, why it happens, and why it’s such a tough problem to fix.It's a very simple equation, countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths. Canada with much more effective guns laws has 5 gun deaths per 1 million people. The US with extremely lax gun laws has 30. States with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, the suicide rate in states with fewer guns is less and on and on. Guns kill that's what they're designed for, they're not toys, they're not tools, they're not a way for people to seek vengeance outside the law which they are commonly used for in the US.
Why does the US, a reputedly civilized country, have such a high rate in all categories? I'll leave it to you to figure it out. How about we keep strengthening gun control laws until we have a rate equal to Canada's--a country socially, economically and racially very similar to ours, LOidVery inaccurate.
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