To prevent mass shooting

Politics and Social Issues
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We hear all sorts of ideas mostly ideas that will avoid effective gun control. Thoughts and prayers from Mike Huckaby, multiple guards in every public building from John. Hannity, ban video games from TrumpAss, though he likes to blame mental health issues without calling for socialized mental health care for everyone who needs it. (That would be so unRepublican). Another Republicans suggested controlling the sale of ammunition. All of these things are designed to be ways to prevent effective gun control measures (gotta help the NRA and gun nuts, after all). But let’s compromise.

My idea is to give everybody what they want. Let’s have many thoughts and prayers, guards in every public building, socialized mental health care (though no Republicans are calling for that, they just want to blame mental health issues instead of the proliferation of guns and also not spend any money on it), controls on of the availability of ammunition and lets ALSO have tough gun control! How about that? Make everybody happy—Lots of thoughts and prayers, guards, socialized mental health care, controls on ammunition AND tough gun control all tied up with a nice bow. Give a little, take a little. What could be better than that?

Everybody gives something, everybody gets something? I’d be willing to pray and think good thoughts. Do I hear any objections to this plan that’s designed to satisfy everybody?

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You wouldnt want to do something useless now LoisL

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Lois, on a scale of one to ten. With, let’s say bioweapons being a 10. Where would you rate guns on the list of all weapons that people could use, and I mean all weapons? Then tell what weapon will take the place of guns.

To figure out the problem is simple. Lack of morality. To fix the problem is also simple. You start by teaching our children morals in the form of fairy tails when they are young and increase realization of the stories as they get older. Sort of like how the bible was meant to be used.

What blockheads stopped the moral teachings in schools? Oh yea, the Left. We know who’s to blame.

All you are doing is chasing your own tail. You bring a bucket of water after the house is burnt down thinking it will help. Maybe you should not have banded all the schoolbooks about morals as being racist and gender incongruence. What we have with the left and democrats is the results of people who will not standup and take responsibility for their actions they have gotten implemented over the years. There is no way that can be progressive.

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Simply compare mass shootings, murders, accidental shootings, etc, in the US to ANY other first world nation, and you will instantly see that gun control laws are the difference.

Is having guns all over the place really preferable to keeping people alive and safe? That would be a laughably stupid question to dream up if there weren’t so many who actually answer ‘yes’.

"You bring a bucket of water after the house is burnt down thinking it will help."
You ever stop to think that maybe we could prevent thousands of other houses from burning down?

I dream of having the ability to send all far-right folks to an island to live by the rules they think are good. Placing bets on how quickly they want to return to a civilized society would be an interesting past-time.

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We could get rid of guns altogether if it wasn’t for corruption. The first thing socialists do is band guns. Just look at Venezuela as an example. The poor people of Venezuela, the only ones with guns are the gangs and government. And where the government can’t control the people the news is saying the government is giving guns to the gangs. Unreal! And we could get rid of guns altogether if we had good morality. Just look at Japan as an example.

The bucket of water is about years of attacking the moral system here in America. It is still going on today. People want to use private schools and look at the money that is being spent in the Democratic controlled states to stop private schools. You need to ask yourself why do people want to send their kids to private schools? There is a lot more money spent on the public schools. They should by all facts be the best schools. What do you think is the problem?

3Point, tell me, if you had enemies and you believed the world was ending in ten years. What have you got to lose by taking out your enemies? So, should we expect more killings? Why go to school or get married if the world is going to end?

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Enlighten me on how you would use a gun to combat corruption.

Your Venezuela vs. Japan example proves my point that laws controlling guns is how you save lives and make all citizens safer. How can you make the very comparison I ask and somehow choose the stupider of the two? Are you insane? I wouldn’t believe you were capable of that level of mental miscalculation if I hadn’t already read so many of your similarly well though out posts over the last few months.

As far fetched and childishly simplistic as your idea of fighting corruption with guns is, even if I grant you that it could come true, we’ve already proven over and over and over and over and over… that guns are far worse than the corruption.

All this is without going into the violence and death and corruption that would be rampant if guns were used to fight your evil “corruption”. It would be purely hypothetical, but I believe it would be violence and death and corruption on a scale that dwarfs the already sky-high levels we have now.

Having firearms in everyone’s hands isn’t a cure for anything but overpopulation and low gun and bullet sales.

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3point, I am sure u r correct that Mike’s idea is a bad one, in the real world.

But I think I would really enjoy it as a Quinton Taratino movie. Something like a cross between Death Wish and Kill Bill, only with more extremely violent death scenes. AOC could play the vigilante avenging role. Basically, the whole movie, she would be systematically exterminating the hundreds of corrupt persons that the Trump administration has put in place, or tried to put in place. Each death scene being intensely violent. My favorite would be the show down with Steven Miller.

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3point,

As far fetched and childishly simplistic as your idea of fighting corruption with guns is, even if I grant you that it could come true, we’ve already proven over and over and over and over and over… that guns are far worse than the corruption.

So, you think we would be better off under British rule? The gun deaths differ by political parties. Republicans use guns mostly for suicide, where Democrats use it for homicides. If you want to knock the socks off the corruption, take the guns away from the Democrats and legalize suicides.

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TimB,

How do you know who Steven Miller is? You’re the most informed guy I know. Do you have AOC bearing anything in your movie?

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is this true? Over 300 million guns in circulation in the US?

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It’s a Tarantino movie, of course AOC will be wearing some revealing costumes.

I figured everyone had heard of Stephen Miller, aka Wormtongue, by now.

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I hear Americans own 393 million of the guns owned in the world. And that is about 40% of all the guns owned in the world.

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To figure out the problem is simple. Lack of morality. To fix the problem is also simple. You start by teaching our children morals in the form of fairy tails when they are young and increase realization of the stories as they get older. Sort of like how the bible was meant to be used.

What blockheads stopped the moral teachings in schools? Oh yea, the Left. We know who’s to blame.

All you are doing is chasing your own tail. You bring a bucket of water after the house is burnt down thinking it will help. Maybe you should not have banded all the schoolbooks about morals as being racist and gender incongruence. What we have with the left and democrats is the results of people who will not standup and take responsibility for their actions they have gotten implemented over the years. There is no way that can be progressive.


Nah, lack of morality is not even close to the problem here. The problem is widespread mental illness among young people and the resulting over-medication combined with easy access to the weapons.

Decades ago when young people were healthier there was even more widespread access to guns and ammo but this shit didn’t happen. It’s not going to stop as long as GenX, Millennials, now Generation Z are breathing, so we need to make the gear much harder to get.

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Would you tie these generations with the educational system?

I nail the problem as not understanding of the caste system by the general public. Of course, we always had the ultra-rich and the very poor. But that’s not what the caste is about. The caste is more like heaven and afterlife is to the religious. A very strong driving force. The caste was not available to the older generations. It has now been available to the generations you listed. In countries like Pakistan and India, the caste has always been around and is built into the political system. In history the greatest civilizations had controls of caste built into their system of governing. Morality is the main control of caste systems. This can be viewed by looking at Japan.

Where do we find caste in America?

Literature, history, prejudice, genetics, education and symbols used by groups.

Caste keeps showing up on this site all the time. But nobody is aware or looking for caste. Many times, the caste is the answer to the question being debated. But the caste system is not part of either political party agenda. Americans don’t seem to take what would be the logical pathway. They follow the pathways of the political parties like sheep. Political parties don’t like to talk about caste. Even in India where it is part of the political system.

Not that anything will be done in America in the direction of understanding by the general public. Internet searches shows it has been touched upon over the last decade with not much movement. The education system that should be teaching these items are caught up in the caste and so don’t look for any help there.

The reason I bring it up is that I spent some time trying to figure out religion and found out it was about civilization. And then I looked at all the main items of the past civilizations. The best and most successful civilizations dealt with the caste system. Jesus was changing the Jewish religion to deal with the caste system and did not get in implemented. Jefferson and the founding fathers were trying to implement Jesus’ system. And the Supreme Court as an example is part of that system. The part of Jesus’ system that Jefferson did not get implemented was the teaching of morality. The system only works good with good morality. Otherwise the system will break down and develop caste systems like we are seeing today. Staying on this pathway and we will become another India.

Sorry for being so long. Haven’t had my coffee yet.

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Decades ago when young people were healthier there was even more widespread access to guns and ammo but this shit didn’t happen.
What time was that oneguy? The assault type rifles were not heavily marketed until marketed "decades ago". They were banned between 1994 and 2004. What are you talking about?
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The state to control all gun and ammunition sales

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What time was that oneguy? The assault type rifles were not heavily marketed until marketed “decades ago”. They were banned between 1994 and 2004. What are you talking about?
Before GenX came of age — which was 1980s-90s roughly.

I start with them because they were the first generation to be linked with mass shootings back in the 90s.

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Would you tie these generations with the educational system?

I nail the problem as not understanding of the caste system by the general public. Of course, we always had the ultra-rich and the very poor. But that’s not what the caste is about. The caste is more like heaven and afterlife is to the religious. A very strong driving force. The caste was not available to the older generations. It has now been available to the generations you listed. In countries like Pakistan and India, the caste has always been around and is built into the political system. In history the greatest civilizations had controls of caste built into their system of governing. Morality is the main control of caste systems. This can be viewed by looking at Japan.

Where do we find caste in America?

Literature, history, prejudice, genetics, education and symbols used by groups.

Caste keeps showing up on this site all the time. But nobody is aware or looking for caste. Many times, the caste is the answer to the question being debated. But the caste system is not part of either political party agenda. Americans don’t seem to take what would be the logical pathway. They follow the pathways of the political parties like sheep. Political parties don’t like to talk about caste. Even in India where it is part of the political system.

Not that anything will be done in America in the direction of understanding by the general public. Internet searches shows it has been touched upon over the last decade with not much movement. The education system that should be teaching these items are caught up in the caste and so don’t look for any help there.

The reason I bring it up is that I spent some time trying to figure out religion and found out it was about civilization. And then I looked at all the main items of the past civilizations. The best and most successful civilizations dealt with the caste system. Jesus was changing the Jewish religion to deal with the caste system and did not get in implemented. Jefferson and the founding fathers were trying to implement Jesus’ system. And the Supreme Court as an example is part of that system. The part of Jesus’ system that Jefferson did not get implemented was the teaching of morality. The system only works good with good morality. Otherwise the system will break down and develop caste systems like we are seeing today. Staying on this pathway and we will become another India.

Sorry for being so long. Haven’t had my coffee yet.


No idea what you’re talking about here.

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Mike

My last reply to you, on another thread, kept getting gobbled up by the AI on this site. I hope this one goes through.

I like to develop my opinions around objective facts (crazy, I know). First, I want to look at what’s really going on with violent crime here in the US.

The rate of violent crime (murder, rape, assault, etc) has actually decreased drastically since it’s high in the 1990s. This is not in dispute. Every organization that studies violent crime has seen the trend (see a chart of FBI violent crime rate stats here) (see a chart of FBI violent crime rate stats here) - Album on Imgur.

 

One specific type of crime has increased, though, and that is mass gun shootings;
(here is a chart that shows how mass shooting deaths & injuries have increased since the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) (here is a chart that shows how mass shooting deaths & injuries have increased since the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) - Album on Imgur.

 

The idea that morality has decreased, and people are becoming more and more violent over time, is simply false. And this isn’t the “liberal mass media” lying. In fact, the same trend has been seen worldwide. That’s because lots of things that were accepted, or taken for granted, yesterday are not acceptable today.

As to your comment on how the liberals took morality out of the schools, can I assume you mean corporal punishment and school prayer? (Those are the factors usually brought up.)

First, you will be happy to know that corporal punishment is alive and well in many US schools. Forty-eight of the 50 states allow paddling in private schools, and it’s legal in public schools in 19 states. and it's legal in public schools in 19 states. - Album on Imgur

Interestingly, ACT scores are lower, and violence & teen pregnancy higher, in the districts where it is common place. So at best, paddling doesn’t seem to help, and at worst it exacerbates problems.

Re school prayer, the false narratives around this are legion. The Supreme Court voted in 1962 that teachers and other public school staff could no longer lead prayers, Christian or otherwise. However, students can still pray, carry Bibles (or Qur’ans or whatever), form prayer clubs, wear religious jewelry, etc., as long as they don’t disrupt other students.

The vote was in the context of multiple complaints by not just atheists but Unitarian, Jewish and Catholic families who objected to their kids being forced to read and pray out of the King James Bible.

Christians who think this is horrible should spend 30 seconds to turn it around in their minds and imagine how they’d feel if they had to have their kids in a public school and their child came home and informed them their Arabic teacher made them recite the Shahada.

You say that children should be taught morality through fairy tales. Do you have kids? I hope not. Fairy tales, Bible stories, etc., have helped to reinforce messages, but the best way to teach kids right from wrong is to realize they understand more than we think, teach them to express themselves appropriately, and allow them to suffer natural consequences (like losing friends if they’re rude, or having toys ruined if they are left outside).

Since the eldest Baby Boomers, born in the 1940s and 1950s, was the generation that rebelled and turned out, maybe the old fashioned ideas of childrearing didn’t work so well after all.

Well, let’s see if THIS one goes through. I will await your rebuttal, informing me that I am an ignorant liberal because your neighbor is a juvenile delinquent.