The falsity of sleep and sexual desire

Doesn’t really negate my point, well his point, about sexuality and self-hood.

Stay on topic.

Perfecto

Again you aren’t addressing the point, what is being argued is that sexual desire is false because it is based on the false conception of a self. They argued that it’s biological, but what triggers those biological reactions?

Xain said,

Again you aren’t addressing the point, what is being argued is that sexual desire is false because it is based on the false conception of a self. They argued that it’s biological, but what triggers those biological reactions?


You’ll have to first translate external sensory input into electro-chemical messages and match those messages with the brains cognitive powers and “best guess” as to what you are observing. This excellent video gives a real glimpse of both the strengths and weaknesses of the brains ability to recognize reality. As Anil Seth observes, “when we agree on our hallucinations, we call that reality”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyu7v7nWzfo&t=547s

 

Actually that video does support that paragraph I quoted, since humans evolved not to see reality as it is but for survival and reproductions. Sexuality, sex, and the nature of love as the paragraph talks about can be illusions. Like you think you love the person but it’s really a trait that you love and not them, as for sex it’s the illusion of the “other” that causes it.

 

Such things favor reproduction but aren’t “reality”.

This excellent movie may be of interest. It offers a unique perspective to the concept of “compatibility”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEemhPRLSHY&t=138s

You missed my point as to the nature of love, sexuality, and attraction.

What point would that be?

That these things are false because they are rooted in the false construction of the self.

Yeah, that’s not really a point. It’s just something you read and you don’t seem to understand it. Sometimes you don’t seem to believe it.

But that is a point and it’s mentioned in the article. I do understand what he means by it in that if there is no “self” or “other” then there is no sexual attraction and that if the self is a false construct then sexuality is false too.

Xain said,

That these things are false because they are rooted in the false construction of the self.


When does one have a false construction of self and how does that affect your decision making ability?

Because you operate under the assumption that there is a solid and unified being that you love or are attracted to but there isn’t.

Because you operate under the assumption that there is a solid and unified being that you love or are attracted to but there isn’t.
It could be your conception of love that is the problem. If you are attracted to someone, that's fine, but part of that attraction is going to be sexual desire. Love though requires getting to know them, and part of knowing if it's someone you want to spend time with is knowing that they will change. If you want them to stay "solid" as what originally attracted you, then that's not love. I'm not sure what this expectation of "unified" is but we all have doubts and contradictions, that's part of why we need each other's love and support.

It seems you’ve taken for the very reason for forming loving relationships and turned it into a reason not to.

I haven’t merely shown that such feelings are rooted in an illusion that never was, in this case a self. Sexual desire is rooted in illusion as well.

But part of this might be that because a Buddhist said it then it must be true.

But part of this might be that because a Buddhist said it then it must be true.
That's terrible reasoning.

The other part is that for some reason I need a Buddhist to tell me that it is not true. For some reason I am convinced that Buddhism is the truth of reality mostly based on the testimony of people who follow it.

The other part is that I don’t really have an argument against it.

For me, the main objection to the idea that we are illusion, that everything is illusion, is that when i hurt myself, i bleed, that every minutes of my life shows me that i am materia and not illusion.

It means that i live and act as if the world is material and that i must. the idea that everything is illusion is a philosophical game of no consequence.

Now, it is an interesting idea to play with.

May be we are products of a computeur …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacron-3

About our feelings, May be they are illusions, but with very material effects, specially when a baby is born !