In response to Timb, here here, you summed it up perfectly and you’re right, this “game” is deadly serious.
Thanks for your perceptive response, Michael. Everyone else, read my last post again.
Deadly serious, Like the extreme right wing literally believe they want to destroy all vestiges of liberal, progressive notions. They demonstrate nothing but hatred and destruction to our nation and its citizens, in their pea picking little little little itty bitty hearts.
Case in point of why it’s extremely easy to be convinced of the worst of intention when dealing with the likes of the trump cult and folks like k
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-textsRevealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies
Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show
Jason Wilson and Robert Evans, Sept 23, 2020
… Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend.
The chats on the GroupMe app, shared with the Guardian by the antifascist group Eugene Antifa, show conversations between Oregon members of the Patriots Coalition growing more extreme as they discuss armed confrontations with leftwing Portland activists, and consume a steady diet of online disinformation about protests and wildfires.
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In advance of the 22 August protest, Melchi wrote: “It’s going to be bloody and most likely shooting, they’re definitely armed… so let’s make sure we have an organized direction of movement and direction of clearing or other Patriots will be caught in the possible cross fire. When shit hits the fan.”
He advised other members to ignore weapons statutes, writing, “I saw someone say bats, mace, and stun guns are illegal downtown. If you’re going to play by the books tomorrow night, we already lost. We are here to make a change, laws will be broken, people will get hurt… It’s lawlessness downtown, and people need to be prepared for bad things.”
Following these comments, several rightwing demonstrators were recorded using gas and bats on 22 August, where Melchi and his militia were also present. …
Saying ‘liberals’, ” Enable and Accept … Window Breakers and Building Burners … America Haters and Capitalist Haters … [blah… blah… blah]”, is like saying Christians enable and accept parents who kill their children because they believe God told them to or gun advocates accept toddlers accidentally shooting someone (although they do enable that) or all environmentalists spike trees and pour sugar in the fuel tanks of logging equipment or all atheists are brilliant and generous.You shouldn’t paint everyone who falls under a label with the same brush because it simply isn’t true.
But I would not have been able to say this about Liberals even just a couple of years ago, even though the symptoms were already evident. It has now reached a tipping point. The Corruption of Liberal/Media/Commentators/Politicians is now complete and the result is the Depravity that we see mostly in Liberal run cities.
So much to respond. So little patience with people who repeat this crap.What it classically means to be a Liberal is irrelevant.
You asked what it means to be liberal. To me, the classic definition is what it means. If I asked someone what it means to be a Republican, and they said they were an “Eisenhower” Republican, I would accept that. A description cannot be irrelevant.What I want to know is Why do Liberals Now, at this point in time, Enable and Accept … Window Breakers and Building Burners … America Haters and Capitalist Haters … Police Defunders and Police Dismantlers … Statue Topplers and History Rewriters … Race Baiters and Riot Sympathizers … and even Police Assassins and Death to Police Chanters?
I can’t speak for others. I don’t accept those things. I have some issues with capitalism. I saw our police getting weaponized and thought that was wrong starting way back in the early part of this century. I’m not going to go through your list because we would never agree on the meanings of the words. And by “never”, I mean a very long time. If you choose to be more reasonable, we could agree, but I have serious doubts. On a couple of them, I could ask you the same question.I am sure you yourself will deny these things but I hear Enabling words and Accepting words from the Liberal/Media/Commentators.
I’m not denying anything. We live in a country with free speech. I’m not going to write a blog, or go punch in the nose every moron who says something stupid about how to solve the country’s problems. Again, take anything a BLM or Antifa said that you don’t like, and google it, but also add “right wing moron with a gun”. You’ll find it.They for sure are playing the Game because they probably don’t actually want to Enable and Accept these people, but they they do it anyway. I cannot determine if the Game is only about Votes or if the Depravity of the Game goes Deeper than that. What is the nature of their Game?
If you don’t think the way Trump speaks, the way McConnell says one thing and does another, and all the other things conservatives are doing is not “game playing”, then I don’t know what you are talking about.
But I would not have been able to say this about Liberals even just a couple of years ago, even though the symptoms were already evident. It has now reached a tipping point. The Corruption of Liberal/Media/Commentators/Politicians is now complete and the result is the Depravity that we see mostly in Liberal run cities. You keep deflecting and diverting away from the Liberal catastrophe in the cities that is unfolding before your eyes.
The Corruption of Liberal/Media/Commentators/Politicians is now complete and the result is the Depravity that we see mostly in Liberal run cities.Another amazing act of transferring one's own failings and crimes onto one's opponents.
This doesn’t even get into Breitbart outlet of deception and false information and the other newbie that have shown up in recent years, with the help of various communist governments. Nor the direct internet manipulation.
https: //www _ pewresearch _ org/fact-tank/2020/04/08/five-facts-about-fox-news/https: //www _ quora _ com/Whats-so-bad-about-Fox-News
https: //www _ washingtonpost _ com/opinions/2020/04/01/fox-news-has-succeeded-misinforming-millions-americans/
https: //www _ theguardian _ com/media/2019/oct/25/fox-news-watching-what-i-learned
https: //en _ wikipedia _ org/wiki/Fox_News_controversies
I shall answer your gas-lighting RepugLIAR rhetorical question with its multiple FALSE implications, with a similar but reality based question for you.Why do RepugLIARs (enablers and cult followers of the tRump emerging autocrat) Now, at this point in time Enable and Accept …
cops wrongly killing unarmed people and getting away with it… over and over and over and over and over…
tax payers having to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to pay off police brutality settlements in municipalities across the nation (money that could have gone to schools or programs that would make life safer and better for all) …
a leader who LIES to us multiple times EVERYDAY in order to become the Autocrat that he has been working persistently to become for four years
Statues erected in the Jim Crow era that rewrote history to hold the champions of the Confederacy as being modern day Heros…
White Supremacists and Neo Nazis, and alt-righters who set up and sometimes kill peaceful protestors who they don’t agree with, but who the tRump proclaims have some “very fine people”…
a leader who is gas lighting the country so as to have the election results contested so that heads he wins (in the unlikely event that he actually wins the vote) or tails the USA loses (by his forcing the election to be decided by the RepugLiars who are in power in the legislatures of the swing states or by his newly stacked SCOTUS)…
a leader whose incompetence and purposeful negligence has majorly contributed to the over 200,000 deaths (and counting) of USA citizens to COVID.
a leader who has put China in the position to take over the USA traditional role of leading the world
a leader who readily accepts help from Russia’s interfering in our elections.
a leader who has asylum seekers children kidnapped or otherwise separated from their parents
a leader who is friendly with the dictators of the world, while tending to be insulting to our traditional allies
a leader who can no longer keep or get our recessed economy on track because he has only enabled the virus spread and is phenomenally incompetent in addressing the Pandemic
a leader who can never be taken at his word, because he LIES so much, so shamelessly, so vigorously, so repeatedly
a leader who truly cares nothing about ethics or honor or integrity
a leader who exposes his own cult followers to be spreaders of COVID, by riling them up to go mask-less and packed together at his campaign rallies (while he maintains distance from them keeps himself safe from them…
Why ???
Very good. This is an example of the sewage that Liberal/Media/Commentators/Politicians spew out every day. I’ll respond to the comments that have anything to do with the OP . When you talk about Police that way I can think of three reasons. You are either completely Corrupted by the Liberal/Media, you are a Depraved liar just trying to cause trouble in the cities, or you are simply having Paranoid Delusions about the Police.
As for the statues. I don’t care about the Confederate statues or Confederate flags or any other symbolic remnants of the Confederacy. By the way, there is a civil and correct way to get rid of statues and flags. But they are being cheered on after toppling non-Confederate statues including of all things Columbus statues.
Didn’t seem to be able to up date the OP. So I think it is necessary to periodically produce what I wanted the OP to say:
Sympathy For The Liberal:
You are a person of Wealth and Taste. For you … every Cop is a Criminal … and all the Sinners Saints. I’d like to have some Sympathy, but what Puzzles me … is the nature of your Game.
All the window breakers … and all the building burners … will certainly vote for … can you guess his name? He would be pleased to meet them and introduce himself … then take their votes. That’s the nature of your Game … you have enabled them … and you have accepted them.
All the police defunders … and all the police dismantlers … will certainly vote for … can you guess his name? He would be pleased to meet them and introduce himself … then take their votes. That’s the nature of your Game … you have enabled them … and you have accepted them.
All the statue topplers … and all the history rewriters … will certainly vote for … can you guess his name? He would be pleased to meet them and introduce himself … then take their votes. That’s the nature of your Game … you have enabled them … and you have accepted them.
All the America haters … and all the Capitalist haters … will certainly vote for … can you guess his name? He would be pleased to meet them and introduce himself … then take their votes. That’s the nature of your Game … you have enabled them … and you have accepted them.
All the race-baiters … and all the riot sympathizers … will certainly vote for … can you guess his name? He would be pleased to meet them and introduce himself … then take their votes. That’s the nature of your Game … you have enabled them … and you have accepted them.
All the police assassins … and the death to police chanters … will certainly vote for … can you guess his name? He would be pleased to meet them and introduce himself … then take their votes. That’s the nature of your Game … you have enabled them … and you have accepted them.
But to me it’s still a puzzling Game … and if I meet you … I’ll have some courtesy … some sympathy … and some taste. I’ll be polite as possible and ask … What is the nature of your Game?
But I would not have been able to say this about Liberals even just a couple of years ago, -- KlinkoHave you heard of the “sixties”. People were bombing cops. Leonard Peltier is still in jail.
Liberal run cities.Define this term.
You keep deflecting and diverting away from the Liberal catastrophe in the cities that is unfolding before your eyes.You keep labeling something as “liberal catastrophe”. But if I asked if free speech is okay, you’d say yes, if dialog is better than guns, I hope you’d say yes, if police are not also judge jury and executioner, what would you say?
When you talk about Police that way…Ad hominem attack. Completely useless. Move on Klinko.
Wow. klinko you drank ALL of the RepugLIARs, and FOX and OAN tRump propaganda networks’ KOOLAID. How do you even hold your head up, with it so full of RepugLIAR LIES? Among other crap, you said:
When you talk about Police that way I can think of three reasons. You are either completely Corrupted by the Liberal/Media, you are a Depraved liar just trying to cause trouble in the cities, or you are simply having Paranoid Delusions about the Police.Let's see how I "talked about the police": "1) cops wrongly killing unarmed people and getting away with it… over and over and over and over and over… & 2) tax payers having to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to pay off police brutality settlements in municipalities across the nation (money that could have gone to schools or programs that would make life safer and better for all) …"
So you declare that this means that I am corrupted by the “liberal media” OR I am a Depraved Liar Or I am delusional.
Obviously I think it is highly probable that YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO has been corrupted by the FAKE conservative RepugLIAR propaganda machine. I bet that YOU are also a major user of FACEBOOK (true?), which I hear is also a BIG SOURCE for right-wing nutbags to get corrupted with RepugLIAR propaganda.
I am not a LIAR, and I am not particularly depraved. I do not have paranoid delusions.
So that brings us back to your 1st erroneous idea about my statements about the police. (Is it me that is F’d up with misinformation and propaganda, OR is THAT YOU?)
It is a matter of history (& these days, often, video recorded history) that 1) cops have wrongly killed unarmed people and gotten away with it… over and over and over and over and over…
And it is simply the case that 2) tax payers have paid hundreds of millions of dollars for police brutality settlements in municipalities across the nation.
You answered neither of those adequately by claiming that I am delusional, LYING, or brainwashed. And BOTH are true. Hence it must be YOU who is brainwashed. (Hey it happens. Are you poorly educated?)
And honestly, you also seem a bit nutty when you keep posting the same trope over and over. Do you consider it a literary work of art or something? (It’s not.)
FOX News. Is that your main mental malfunction? Believing the crap that comes out of FOX News? That would be sort of pathetic.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/25/fox-news-watching-what-i-learned
At Fox News, opinion is king – not news...Steve Doocy, Ainsley Earhardt and Brian Kilmeade – are a consistent train wreck of shameless hackery, even managing to turn a report about Trump’s $1bn in business losses into a glowing endorsement of his bold, wealthy brilliance…
Officially, Fox & Friends is an opinion show, but the ostensibly separate news side – which also lies daily – pops up a lot…
One of the ways Fox News corrodes politics is by influencing the larger conversation; in fact, you may be essentially consuming Fox propaganda without knowing it…
Fox prime time has rightly earned a reputation as a cable TV haven for white supremacy, but, as with all things Fox News, Fox & Friends also plays a prominent role…
People who watch Fox News with an open mind can find themselves sucked into a destructive and alienating lifestyle…
etc., etc, etc.
And that article is almost a year old.
But I would not have been able to say this about Liberals even just a couple of years ago, — Klinko Have you heard of the “sixties”. People were bombing cops. Leonard Peltier is still in jail.Liberal run cities.
Define this term.You keep deflecting and diverting away from the Liberal catastrophe in the cities that is unfolding before your eyes.
You keep labeling something as “liberal catastrophe”. But if I asked if free speech is okay, you’d say yes, if dialog is better than guns, I hope you’d say yes, if police are not also judge jury and executioner, what would you say?When you talk about Police that way…
Ad hominem attack. Completely useless. Move on Klinko.
Back in the 60s, the Liberal/Media/Politicians were not Enabling the Rioters, Accepting the Rioters, and Inciting the Rioters like they are today.
You said … “if police are not also judge jury and executioner, what would you say”. Why would you even suggest such an inflammatory concept as police being judge, jury, and executioner? This is crazy stuff from some Science fiction movies about the future. Why do you even say something like that? I’m sure the subtle Depravity of a statement like that completely escapes you.
It’s not Ad Hominem when the Person is espousing the same corrupt Race Baiting statements that are the topic of the OP. He becomes the topic of the OP.
Wow. klinko you drank ALL of the RepugLIARs, and FOX and OAN tRump propaganda networks’ KOOLAID. How do you even hold your head up, with it so full of RepugLIAR LIES? Among other crap, you said:When you talk about Police that way I can think of three reasons. You are either completely Corrupted by the Liberal/Media, you are a Depraved liar just trying to cause trouble in the cities, or you are simply having Paranoid Delusions about the Police.
Let’s see how I “talked about the police”: “1) cops wrongly killing unarmed people and getting away with it… over and over and over and over and over… & 2) tax payers having to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to pay off police brutality settlements in municipalities across the nation (money that could have gone to schools or programs that would make life safer and better for all) …”So you declare that this means that I am corrupted by the “liberal media” OR I am a Depraved Liar Or I am delusional.
Obviously I think it is highly probable that YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO has been corrupted by the FAKE conservative RepugLIAR propaganda machine. I bet that YOU are also a major user of FACEBOOK (true?), which I hear is also a BIG SOURCE for right-wing nutbags to get corrupted with RepugLIAR propaganda.
I am not a LIAR, and I am not particularly depraved. I do not have paranoid delusions.
So that brings us back to your 1st erroneous idea about my statements about the police. (Is it me that is F’d up with misinformation and propaganda, OR is THAT YOU?)
It is a matter of history (& these days, often, video recorded history) that 1) cops have wrongly killed unarmed people and gotten away with it… over and over and over and over and over…
And it is simply the case that 2) tax payers have paid hundreds of millions of dollars for police brutality settlements in municipalities across the nation.
You answered neither of those adequately by claiming that I am delusional, LYING, or brainwashed. And BOTH are true. Hence it must be YOU who is brainwashed. (Hey it happens. Are you poorly educated?)
And honestly, you also seem a bit nutty when you keep posting the same trope over and over. Do you consider it a literary work of art or something? (It’s not.)
You say “1) cops wrongly killing unarmed people and getting away with it… over and over and over and over and over…". You do realize that there are reasons why Cops shoot anyone. Your claim is Irresponsible, Inflammatory, and Corrupt. It is a Paranoid Delusion if you really think the Cops are doing that. There would necessarily have to be some bad Cop somewhere that may have done that but you make it sound like they are all doing it everywhere all the time. You need to flush this Liberal/Media/Politician Sewage out of your system. You have been completely Corrupted.
Of course the Police can and will make mistakes. That is the hallmark of a Human Being. Police are not Machines. They should give restitution when it is proven to be a just settlement. But on the other hand, paying off an unjust settlement is quite often cheaper than having your city Vandalized and Burnt down.
I will repeat points that need to be repeated when people try to divert attention. I still cannot understand why you want to Demonize the Police. There must be a reason for your Depravity … Wait for it … What really is the Nature of your Game?
@steveklinko A lot of what is said about liberals isn’t true, just like Antifa, which doesn’t actually exist. Faux News is just that- the dotard’s propaganda channel and you’ve fallen for it, hook, line, and sinker. The killing of Breonna Taylor isn’t being treated the same way as if the police shot and killed a white person in the same scenario. In fact, some of the shots fired went into the adjacent apartment, with “white” people living there and in that same story/situation the discipline for that was different from the murder of Breonna Taylor, as though her life was less than what happened to the “white” people next door. That’s what everyone is talking about- the double standard based on skin colour. That’s not liberalism nor is it an example of one, it’s real life.
I’ve heard the term “liberal media” for so long and so often and usually always by people who don’t know what the word “liberal” actually means. I repeat a point I made earlier that if anyone took the time to look in the dictionary (because that is the only legitimate place where words are defined) and read the definitions of liberal and conservative, they would likely prefer to be called liberal, but conservatives, especially hardcore ideologues make up their own definitions and stubbornly cling to them.
As to if and why some in the media are more liberal than the average American there’s a simple and reasonable answer. People in the news industry cover stories in far greater depth than those who don’t. As a result, they become very conversant with the details and background history of issues that are often far more complicated than any superficial familiarity with them. In short, the “liberal media” know more about specific issues than most Americans, and knowing more generally means a more liberal interpretation of any topic, especially one that’s highly charged with controversy. Reporters who covered the civil rights movement in the 1960s were often called communists and un-American simply because they saw close-up and reported on the injustices meted out to minorities. Reporters who cover the disgraceful treatment of families and children on our southern border are unquestionably swayed to reflect a sympathetic attitude in their coverage. This is what makes them appear left of center in their views. The “liberal media” simply know more than their fiercest critics. Saying the “liberal media” is enabling or abetting social disruptions from protesters who feel they have no other means of expressing their discontent than marching in the streets which is the same way the Vietnam War was ended is no more than an empty canard.
I’ve heard the term “liberal media” for so long and so often and usually always by people who don’t know what the word “liberal” actually means. I repeat a point I made earlier that if anyone took the time to look in the dictionary (because that is the only legitimate place where words are defined) and read the definitions of liberal and conservative, they would likely prefer to be called liberal, but conservatives, especially hardcore ideologues make up their own definitions and stubbornly cling to them.
As to if and why some in the media are more liberal than the average American there’s a simple and reasonable answer. People in the news industry cover stories in far greater depth than those who don’t. As a result, they become very conversant with the details and background history of issues that are often far more complicated than any superficial familiarity with them. In short, the “liberal media” know more about specific issues than most Americans, and knowing more generally means a more liberal interpretation of any topic, especially one that’s highly charged with controversy. Reporters who covered the civil rights movement in the 1960s were often called communists and un-American simply because they saw close-up and reported on the injustices meted out to minorities. Reporters who cover the disgraceful treatment of families and children on our southern border are unquestionably swayed to reflect a sympathetic attitude in their coverage. This is what makes them appear left of center in their views. The “liberal media” simply know more than their fiercest critics. Saying the “liberal media” is enabling or abetting social disruptions from protesters who feel they have no other means of expressing their discontent than marching in the streets which is the same way the Vietnam War was ended is no more than an empty canard.
Like a good wine, some paragraphs simply need to breath a little.
@michaelmckinney1951I’ve heard the term “liberal media” for so long and so often and usually always by people who don’t know what the word “liberal” actually means.
I repeat a point I made earlier that if anyone took the time to look in the dictionary (because that is the only legitimate place where words are defined) and read the definitions of liberal and conservative, they would likely prefer to be called liberal, but conservatives, especially hardcore ideologues make up their own definitions and stubbornly cling to them. (#1)
As to if and why some in the media are more liberal than the average American there’s a simple and reasonable answer.
People in the news industry cover stories in far greater depth than those who don’t. As a result, they become very conversant with the details and background history of issues that are often far more complicated than any superficial familiarity with them.
In short, the “liberal media” know more about specific issues than most Americans, and knowing more generally means a more liberal interpretation of any topic, especially one that’s highly charged with controversy.
Reporters who covered the civil rights movement in the 1960s were often called communists and un-American simply because they saw close-up and reported on the injustices meted out to minorities.
Reporters who cover the disgraceful treatment of families and children on our southern border are unquestionably swayed to reflect a sympathetic attitude in their coverage.
This is what makes them appear left of center in their views.
The “liberal media” simply know more than their fiercest critics.
Saying the “liberal media” is enabling or abetting social disruptions from protesters who feel they have no other means of expressing their discontent than marching in the streets which is the same way the Vietnam War was ended is no more than an empty canard
You are correct CC. I thank you for the needed adjustments.
Why would you even suggest such an inflammatory concept as police being judge, jury, and executioner? -- KlinkoThe only positive I get here is that you would disagree with an officer having this sort of power. So, rather than make an ad hominem attack, I'm going to accept that you are a decent person who understands the complexities of the rule of law and how we delegate the right to be violent with some people to the police. These are important concepts for creating a peaceful society.
I wonder though, have you been watching the news? The people who are getting shot and killed, or killed due to restraints; are you aware of the circumstances? Rarely do these people display a clear and imminent threat to the survival of these officers. How are you justifying the response? How are you clearing them of overuse of force? Our laws allow it, but our laws are wrong. The use of “Qualified Immunity” is only a few decades old and is being increasingly abused. Police and governments everywhere are reassessing their policies on use of deadly force. You speak as if none of this is happening, as if all of this is justified. And it’s not just the killings, it’s the constant pulling over of people for doing almost nothing, the patrolling of certain neighborhoods while in others a kid would be released to their parents for a relatively serious crime.
Edit: I just read your response to timb wherein you claim that police have a reason for the shootings. You say this without offering anything specific. The specifics are the exact reason for the outrage. For decades, they kept quiet because they didn’t have the evidence, but since bodycams and cell phones, we see it with our own eyes, and still nothing is done. This is why we believe the social contract has been broken, it’s why we believe that nothing will be done no matter how blatant the violations of protocols and moral standards are. Your entire argument rests on the police acting in a way that anyone would find acceptable if they had all the available evidence. Well, we have the evidence now, and it’s not looking good for the police. It’s not a question of how many police act this way or what they think in their private thoughts. It’s a question of enough being enough and the specific responses to the specific incidents that have occurred over the last 20 or 30 years.
It is a Paranoid Delusion if you really think the Cops are doing that. There would necessarily have to be some bad Cop somewhere that may have done that but you make it sound like they are all doing it everywhere all the time. - KlinkoThere is no evidence of a bad Cop anywhere. In every instance of mob complaints and street protests against bad Cops, the suspect was asking for it. The suspect didn't have a good role model when growing up and was enabled by mom.
You need to flush this Liberal/Media/Politician Sewage out of your system. You have been completely Corrupted.It's not possible to flush the Sewage out. The Liberal is beyond redemption.