Scientists at Stanford University released a study today showing that men who regularly eat grits are 70 percent more likely to have gay children.
The prospective cohort study, published in Nature Medicine, followed 15,000 volunteers for 30 years to determine the influence of parental diet on the development of childhood illnesses.
Although the study did find some connection between the maternal intake of sugar during pregnancy and childhood obesity, the most surprising finding was that fathers who ate grits had a much greater chance of having a gay child.
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That's it folks. No poking fun about Christians anymore.
I don't see how both stories can be true, else, one of the 10 Commandments would be "Men shall not eat grits."
All gays drank milk or a milk substitute as babies. All gays have two biological parents. The majority of gays have two exclusively heterosexual parents.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Lois
No, no this is serious Website. See e.g. here].
That's it folks. No poking fun about Christians anymore.
I don't see how both stories can be true, else, one of the 10 Commandments would be "Men shall not eat grits."
All gays drank milk or a milk substitute as babies. All gays have two biological parents. The majority of gays have two exclusively heterosexual parents.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Lois
As your Latin is Greek to me, I can only assume that you are saying that drinking milk during the developmental period and having heterosexual parents leads to homosexuality. If this is true, I am most likely gay. Hmmm... I never suspected.
No, no this is serious Website. See e.g. here.
That’s it folks. No poking fun about Christians anymore.
Oh, there is no mention of a French translation of the cryptic text. Clear proof that God hates the French. We'll Also have no need of his divine guidance in building more churches, reinserting prayer in schools and banning abortion when the Republicans take over the Senate next Tuesday. Of course if the Dems. win the South is going to secede and form the Southern conservative Nation of "Reagan", no gays, no abortion, Jesus in every school and Mom back in the kitchen.
Cap't Jack
Tim I’m still circling around some other question you asked / thoughts you shared,
but need more alone time to focus on getting my response together,
since the meditations you inspired …… here I go again - delete - never mind, I’ll pick up that conversation when I.
I’ll jump in here now that we’re done with the Current
e.g., What would Jack Sprat's kids be like?
All depends. His eldest or his youngest :coolcheese:
An Inquiry of the Maternal Immune Hypothesis
Alexandra Scavone
October 1, 2010
http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/2010/maternalimmunehypothesis.htm
Introduction
… Researchers debate whether sexual orientation can be primarily attributed to genetic or environmental circumstances, or a combination of both. The fraternal birth order effect describes a strange phenomenon in which male sexual orientation correlates with a male’s amount of older brothers. In males, fraternal birth order is actually the best predictor of sexual orientation (Bogaret 2006). Two major observations underlie the fraternal birth order effect. ...
The fraternal birth order effect identifies the prenatal environment as a determinant for male sexual orientation. This paper is an inquiry of the maternal immune hypothesis. It intends to explain the maternal immune hypothesis and its relation to the fraternal birth order effect, while also explaining the fraternal birth order effect and its relation to male sexual orientation. More simply, it questions if, and to what extent, prenatal circumstances, particularly fraternal birth order, affect sexual orientation in males.
The Maternal Immune Hypothesis, put forward by Blanchard & Bogaret in 1996, explains the fraternal birth order effect as possibly resulting from the progressive immunization of mothers to male fetuses. This immunization would result in a maternal immune attack incited by a male fetal antigen, and would increase after every pregnancy with a male fetus. Blanchard & Bogaret suspected and hypothesized that this male fetal antigen was the H-Y antigen.
For an interesting 2013 update http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/33773/title/Can-Epigenetics-Explain-Homosexuality-/
Although seems to me I've know some gay guys who have been only children, hmmm
keep looking, ehh
Tim I'm still circling around some other question you asked / thoughts you shared,
but need more alone time to focus on getting my response together,
since the meditations you inspired …… here I go again - delete - never mind, I'll pick up that conversation when I. :cheese:
I'll jump in here now that we're done with the Current
e.g., What would Jack Sprat's kids be like?
All depends. His eldest or his youngest :coolcheese:
An Inquiry of the Maternal Immune Hypothesis
Alexandra Scavone
October 1, 2010
http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/2010/maternalimmunehypothesis.htm
Introduction
… Researchers debate whether sexual orientation can be primarily attributed to genetic or environmental circumstances, or a combination of both. The fraternal birth order effect describes a strange phenomenon in which male sexual orientation correlates with a male’s amount of older brothers. In males, fraternal birth order is actually the best predictor of sexual orientation (Bogaret 2006). Two major observations underlie the fraternal birth order effect. ...
The fraternal birth order effect identifies the prenatal environment as a determinant for male sexual orientation. This paper is an inquiry of the maternal immune hypothesis. It intends to explain the maternal immune hypothesis and its relation to the fraternal birth order effect, while also explaining the fraternal birth order effect and its relation to male sexual orientation. More simply, it questions if, and to what extent, prenatal circumstances, particularly fraternal birth order, affect sexual orientation in males.
The Maternal Immune Hypothesis, put forward by Blanchard & Bogaret in 1996, explains the fraternal birth order effect as possibly resulting from the progressive immunization of mothers to male fetuses. This immunization would result in a maternal immune attack incited by a male fetal antigen, and would increase after every pregnancy with a male fetus. Blanchard & Bogaret suspected and hypothesized that this male fetal antigen was the H-Y antigen.
For an interesting 2013 update http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/33773/title/Can-Epigenetics-Explain-Homosexuality-/
Although seems to me I've know some gay guys who have been only children, hmmm
keep looking, ehh
Although, it is extremely unpopular, among our circles, to even consider the impact of conditioning, as a component of anyone becoming gay, I think, that being objectively fair, one should also consider the possibility that developmental experiences with older brothers, could have some impact. (That is not, at all, to say that the above hypothesis has no merit or that it is not fascinating.)
No, no this is serious Website. See e.g. here].
That's it folks. No poking fun about Christians anymore.
I don't see how both stories can be true, else, one of the 10 Commandments would be "Men shall not eat grits."
All gays drank milk or a milk substitute as babies. All gays have two biological parents. The majority of gays have two exclusively heterosexual parents.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Lois
As your Latin is Greek to me, I can only assume that you are saying that drinking milk during the developmental period and having heterosexual parents leads to homosexuality. If this is true, I am most likely gay. Hmmm... I never suspected.
I was referring to the post hoc fallacy of reasoning
"The post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) fallacy is based upon the mistaken notion that simply because one thing happens after another, the first event was a cause of the second event. Post hoc reasoning is the basis for many superstitions and erroneous beliefs.
"Many events follow sequential patterns without being causally related. For example, you have a cold, so you drink fluids and two weeks later your cold goes away. You have a headache so you stand on your head and six hours later your headache goes away. You put acne medication on a pimple and three weeks later the pimple goes away. You perform some task exceptionally well after forgetting to bathe, so the next time you have to perform the same task you don't bathe. A solar eclipse occurs so you beat your drums to make the gods spit back the sun. The sun returns, proving to you the efficacy of your action."
skepdic.com/posthoc.html
If it is true that certain behaviors or eating habits "cause" homosexuality in offspring, why are other siblings not affected in the same way? Most gay people are the only one of two or more siblings who is gay.
Lois
I doubt such experiences would really make someone gay. They may however, make someone more amenable to any homosexual inclinations they would otherwise repress.
I doubt such experiences would really make someone gay. They may however, make someone more amenable to any homosexual inclinations they would otherwise repress.
You're probably right about that. Also, I wonder, absent the strong pervasive cultural aversion and negative connotations of homosexuality that most of us grew up with, whether more people would eventually have developed a bisexual orientation. I expect that as homosexuality continues to be more commonly acceptable, in our culture, our subsequent generations will find out the answer to that question. (My guess is that most humans are biologically capable of, at least, some level of sexual attraction to the same gender, and thus bisexuality will become more common in the future.)
No, no this is serious Website. See e.g. here].
That's it folks. No poking fun about Christians anymore.
I don't see how both stories can be true, else, one of the 10 Commandments would be "Men shall not eat grits."
All gays drank milk or a milk substitute as babies. All gays have two biological parents. The majority of gays have two exclusively heterosexual parents.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Lois
As your Latin is Greek to me, I can only assume that you are saying that drinking milk during the developmental period and having heterosexual parents leads to homosexuality. If this is true, I am most likely gay. Hmmm... I never suspected.
I was referring to the post hoc fallacy of reasoning
"The post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) fallacy is based upon the mistaken notion that simply because one thing happens after another, the first event was a cause of the second event. Post hoc reasoning is the basis for many superstitions and erroneous beliefs.
"Many events follow sequential patterns without being causally related. For example, you have a cold, so you drink fluids and two weeks later your cold goes away. You have a headache so you stand on your head and six hours later your headache goes away. You put acne medication on a pimple and three weeks later the pimple goes away. You perform some task exceptionally well after forgetting to bathe, so the next time you have to perform the same task you don't bathe. A solar eclipse occurs so you beat your drums to make the gods spit back the sun. The sun returns, proving to you the efficacy of your action."
skepdic.com/posthoc.html
If it is true that certain behaviors or eating habits "cause" homosexuality in offspring, why are other siblings not affected in the same way? Most gay people are the only one of two or more siblings who is gay.
Lois
Yeah, I figured that out. But, I do like to quip people for using Latin. This is America, gall-darn-it. Speak American.
You're probably right about that. Also, I wonder, absent the strong pervasive cultural aversion and negative connotations of homosexuality that most of us grew up with, whether more people would eventually have developed a bisexual orientation. I expect that as homosexuality continues to be more commonly acceptable, in our culture, our subsequent generations will find out the answer to that question. (My guess is that most humans are biologically capable of, at least, some level of sexual attraction to the same gender, and thus bisexuality will become more common in the future.)
I know some psychologists (and others) have argued that the majority of humans may be bisexual to some extent and would likely live as such if it weren't for things like repression and social pressure.
You're probably right about that. Also, I wonder, absent the strong pervasive cultural aversion and negative connotations of homosexuality that most of us grew up with, whether more people would eventually have developed a bisexual orientation. I expect that as homosexuality continues to be more commonly acceptable, in our culture, our subsequent generations will find out the answer to that question. (My guess is that most humans are biologically capable of, at least, some level of sexual attraction to the same gender, and thus bisexuality will become more common in the future.)
I know some psychologists (and others) have argued that the majority of humans may be bisexual to some extent and would likely live as such if it weren't for things like repression and social pressure.
If our close cousins, the Bonobos, are any indication, then without our cultural/social repressions/suppressions, most of us humans would be engaging in all possible sexual combinations, quite regularly (except not so much with close relatives).
No, no this is serious Website. See e.g. here].
That's it folks. No poking fun about Christians anymore.
I don't see how both stories can be true, else, one of the 10 Commandments would be "Men shall not eat grits."
All gays drank milk or a milk substitute as babies. All gays have two biological parents. The majority of gays have two exclusively heterosexual parents.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Lois
As your Latin is Greek to me, I can only assume that you are saying that drinking milk during the developmental period and having heterosexual parents leads to homosexuality. If this is true, I am most likely gay. Hmmm... I never suspected.
I was referring to the post hoc fallacy of reasoning
"The post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) fallacy is based upon the mistaken notion that simply because one thing happens after another, the first event was a cause of the second event. Post hoc reasoning is the basis for many superstitions and erroneous beliefs.
"Many events follow sequential patterns without being causally related. For example, you have a cold, so you drink fluids and two weeks later your cold goes away. You have a headache so you stand on your head and six hours later your headache goes away. You put acne medication on a pimple and three weeks later the pimple goes away. You perform some task exceptionally well after forgetting to bathe, so the next time you have to perform the same task you don't bathe. A solar eclipse occurs so you beat your drums to make the gods spit back the sun. The sun returns, proving to you the efficacy of your action."
skepdic.com/posthoc.html
If it is true that certain behaviors or eating habits "cause" homosexuality in offspring, why are other siblings not affected in the same way? Most gay people are the only one of two or more siblings who is gay.
Lois
Yeah, I figured that out. But, I do like to quip people for using Latin. This is America, gall-darn-it. Speak American.
I agree most of the time about using Latin, but the post hoc phrase is accepted on most lists of fallacies. I have never heard it called anything else. The English translation is unweildy.
Lois
