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The Truth shall make you Free:

Free from sin and misery; Free from the False precepts, teachings, commandments, and traditions of men.

God bless one and all!

 

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And if Jesus is a myth ?

The Truth shall make you Free:
Which brand of truth? Judaism, Catholicism, Islamism, Hinduism?
Free from sin and misery; Free from the False precepts, teachings, commandments, and traditions of men.
Just like Jesus who was crucified for his "goodness"? And exactly which are the true teachings and which are the false teachings?
God bless one and all!
Which God are you talking about? Your God?
Free from the False precepts, teachings, commandments, and traditions of men.

No, it isn’t free from traditions of men. It is traditions of men. Controlling women’s every move and their bodies too. No thanks.

The truth of the story of Jesus shows he had an extraordinarily easy life and easy crucifixion.

As a baby, he had a trust fund of gold and valuable spices. He traveled internationally to Egypt.

His education was good and he was highly intelligent.

His family seemed stable. He worked with his father Joseph successfully.

He quit work at 30, and lived off miracles needing no regular money for food, taxes or followers.

He died more quickly on the cross than expected.

He slept for a day or two and supposedly received all the wealth of the universe.

An easy life.

@politicalscienceisnot

The truth of the story of Jesus shows he had an extraordinarily easy life and easy crucifixion.

Ah no, none of it was easy. OK let’s say Jesus did exist. He did not exist as portrayed in the Bible stories. Those are just stories, each one of the Gospel stories are different. If we are talking reality of the time, people at that time did not have an extraordinarily easy life. They were lucky to make it past childbirth and if they made it past that, they were lucky to make it to a year old. Many were lucky to make it age 5. Adulthood was declared at a younger age than now, thus why many women died in childbirth and maybe infants died at birth. The women just were not physically grown enough to carry children to term, even and especially at age 13 (age of most Bar and Bat Mitzvahs. Even if they did make it to age 20, there were many skin diseases, including poxs, often called leprosy. Medical science was not as advanced as it is today, so what we’ve known as smallpox, cowpox, and chickenpox today, could have gotten you labeled as a Leopard and people often died from them. Most dermatitis and psoriasis most certainly did. That’s just skin issues alone. That’s not talking about illnesses from lack of sanitation, rats (the plague), hemorrhaging, appendicitis, etc.

Now the crucifixion, if it was a true and honest story, and there were many crucifixions because it was the capital punishment of the time, the nails would be in his wrist and ankles, not his hands and feet, because the nails would rip right out of the hands and feet. He’d be thirsty and if he hung for three days, which according to the story, he didn’t, but if he did, he’d die of thirst. However, he’d probably suffocate before that, due to how he was impaled on the stauros ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauros ), if he didn’t bleed to death from the all the lashes he got from the whipping first. There’s more medical issues to that too, but I can’t remember all of them off hand. Judas also hung from another form of stauros too, but that’s another part of at least one of the Gospel stories.

As a baby, he had a trust fund of gold and valuable spices. He traveled internationally to Egypt.

Yes, gold, myrrh, and frankincense. The author used that as a literary tool to foreshadow. Those were often used when burying people when they died, thus those three things were used to foreshadow his death later in the stories of which only two have his miraculous birth story. As for travel, he was more of a camel jockey and wanderer/drifter. As far as miraculous birth stories go, he’s not the first one.

His education was good and he was highly intelligent.

If you believe the story, yes he was highly educated, but boys, especially from well to do families were, except his father was a carpenter. If they were well off, then his father was making very good money as a carpenter and boys often followed in their father’s footsteps career wise, which Jesus was as his father- a carpenter. This then begs the question, how did his father pay for his education on a carpenter’s income?

He quit work at 30, and lived off miracles needing no regular money for food, taxes or followers.

Only in stories does a person live off miracles and no food, but as the story goes, he did have followers and he did acquire food to eat. The story (and it is a story) of fish and bread for example.

He died more quickly on the cross than expected.

No he did not die quickly on the cross. The soldiers or a soldier pierced him in his side, finishing him off early because they had to take him down for the Sabbath. Marks of the stigmata- the hands, feet, side, back (from the whipping), and cuts from the crown of thorns.

He slept for a day or two and supposedly received all the wealth of the universe.

OK so just how many Marys were at the cave after the stone was removed? Each author has a different number of Marys at the tomb. Not only that, after being stabbed in the side and bleeding out from the side, as well as his back and the main arteries in his wrists and ankles, just how did he sleep for three days? And just what is all the wealth of the universe did he receive? I don’t remember reading anything about wealth in any version of any of the stories about the Crucifixion.

An easy life.

If you really believe any of that was easy, I’d like to read what you call difficult.

Hard is:

Being born without gold and valuable spices as a trust fund.

Never traveling outside of my homeland.

Not having a good education or good intelligence.

Not having a good family.

Not getting along with Dad enough to work with him.

Working with the community without miracles of money all your life.

Hanging on the cross for a full time and not dying earlier than others next to you.

Staying dead a not being Lord of the Universe that is more powerful than everyone else.

This is harder.

 

Staying dead a not being Lord of the Universe that is more powerful than everyone else.

This is harder.


This is called “natural selection”.

Yes, and it is called “death”. We are all headed there.

Staying dead a not being Lord of the Universe that is more powerful than everyone else.

Thus the story of Jesus is a work of fiction.

In what way do you associate Jesus with being dead today?

@dad1 That question made no sense, giving the story is a work of fiction. Not sure what anyone has said led to that question.

Your evidence that the record of Christ is ‘fiction’? The previous reply you made was about how staying dead was not something God would do. You waved that off also, so it makes perfect sense to ask in what way you associate death with the risen Lord?

@dad1 I went through the literary aspects of the Gospels and if you have read the Gospels, I mentioned several things within the the different versions. If you read, they even have different numbers of Marys at the tomb. They are not exactly alike and are just stories.

The people came to the tomb at different times. Some got there before others. Trying to twist the gospels to justify baseless doubts is futile. It certainly does not provide any evidence or justify brash statements stated as if they were fact.

For me, the fact that the earliest manuscripts did not contain the last verses in Mark, the ones where someone came and saw the empty tomb, is enough for me to know that the four gospels were written by different men, with different agendas, in different times. They are so different, someone felt it necessary to add those verses on to try to get them to sound more alike. They were not as concerned with historical facts as historians are today.

I love reviewing these attempts at harmonizing them. It practically serves as a proof that they can’t be.

Anyway, welcome to the forum dad1. Good luck under the constant barrage of facts.

@dad1

The people came to the tomb at different times. Some got there before others. Trying to twist the gospels to justify baseless doubts is futile. It certainly does not provide any evidence or justify brash statements stated as if they were fact.

No, on gospel has one Mary and another has 3 Marys. Each gospel was written by different authors at different times and none of them were actual witnesses. Paul wasn’t even a witness and he allegedly only wrote about 8 of the 13 books attributed to him. They were all good literary writers, but none of the stories were true. As Robert M. Price once said, if Jesus ever existed, he didn’t exist as written in the Bible. That Jesus never existed.

You thought there was only one Mary! Ha. There were many. By the way lots of John’s and etc also. Can you prove that Jesus never appeared to Paul if you claim Paul didn’t see Him!!? Try to offer your baseless doubts as something other than statements of fact.

Funny how people seize upon what is unknown to try and support their decisions of faith. I have no problem with the last bit of Mark. After all the early church folks knew these guys. They compiled their writings and put then together. They had a good idea what was inspired and we do not have the info they had then as to who should be credited with what. If some of Mark’s stuff was found later and added on, great! If God arranged some other situation to get the writing in, great! In any case who are you to claim that it is not inspired? Is there something in there you don’t like?