Socialism is for people who can’t stand up and walk on their own. — SreeThen lets see you build a computer without knowing what it is or having the knowledge available to you, or a car, or how about access to the internet, or growing crops. NO HUMAN WALKS ALONE. It didn't happen in hunter gatherer times because humans were stronger together, somewhere along the line we forgot that.
Exactly. And that’s everyone for their first year. So someone needs to be watching over them almost constantly, which means someone else needs to be getting food and fighting off predators for that person. And so on. That’s what it means to be a social animal. You can’t even say something against it without including it. You included the fear of being alone, that’s exactly right, that would be frightening. It can be done, but it’s not what were wired up for. - LaustenFirst year? You are talking about babies who need their mothers watching over them.
People, who can’t grow up, need an extended support system: socialism.
Then lets see you build a computer without knowing what it is or having the knowledge available to you, or a car, or how about access to the internet, or growing crops. NO HUMAN WALKS ALONE. It didn’t happen in hunter gatherer times because humans were stronger together, somewhere along the line we forgot that.Living ALONE together makes a wholesome society of independently capable people. My argument is against socialism, a Marxist idea for enchaining an entire population. No one can walk faster than the slowest person in the group. It works for the duds but not for the best and the brightest.
No one can walk faster than the slowest person in the group. --SreeNo political system has that as a principle. You don't know what you are talking about. I explained well beyond the helpless baby but you stopped there. Our big brains that need 25 years to develop are why we became social animals.
@lausten Not only does Sree not know what he’s talking about, he also hasn’t read his little book and obviously doesn’t have any comeback for me because he hasn’t read his Book. If he had read his little Book he’d know the authors of the stories made his Jesus a socialist, but then again, I might be confused about his deity and confusing it and it’s not at all the deity of the Bible.
Living ALONE together makes a wholesome society of independently capable people. My argument is against socialism, a Marxist idea for enchaining an entire population. No one can walk faster than the slowest person in the group. It works for the duds but not for the best and the brightest.Thousands of years of anthropology proves you wrong. Humans survived because the weren't alone and worked together to do things. Alone humans are laughably weak compared to other animals. Our strength is in our ability to work in unison. Also you have no idea how socialism functions. What happened were just failures in the process of implementing it, it always because warped in some manner or another never reflecting what it's really about. Also the "best and brightest" (not a thing by the way) would get nowhere in life without the "duds" as you say. You sound like the plot of an Ayn Rand novel.
@snowcity You are absolutely right about socialism. I once had a professor tell me that there is nothing wrong with any form of government, it’s when in the hands of humans that it gets corrupted. Even out democracy has become corrupted in which the oligarchy get a say, having democracy, but the rest of us are screwed with Capitalism. IMHO Capitalism is the worst form of government and don’t tell me companies like Hellmart, Amazon, Google, Facebook, oil companies, etc don’t have a stronghold in our government, insisting on laws that protect them and not us, which is as bad as Communism, IMO. Communism is different from Socialism. Communism the government owns everything (in this case, Capitalism, large corporations own everything, including the government) and the public owns nothing. Socialism, the people own everything, which is a lot more appealing than our current system. BTW, an argument could made that in Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek, the governmental system and the society are Socialistic. Not only that, the monetary system isn’t as we know it either, but that I can’t explain as easily as the society and government.
Thousands of years of anthropology proves you wrong. Humans survived because the weren’t alone and worked together to do things. -- snowcityPosts like this make me wonder if you are pulling our collective chain the rest of the time. I know that's a back handed compliment, but I had to say it.
Even our democracy has become corrupted in which the oligarchy get a say, having democracy, -- mrianaI was reflecting on what Trump could have done with this four years and it actually kind of worried me. He has exposed many weaknesses in our system, mainly, that we depend on the kindness and good nature of people, even the ones who think they need to own lots of guns.
First, Trump should have called me, big mistake right there. What he could have done was SAY he was working with the Democrats. He did it anyway, he followed Obama’s military plans, he kept most of our treaties intact, he “paid the bills” so to speak. He could have even done a lot of what he did at the borders and got away with it, just do without all the rhetoric. He could have spent a trillion on infrastructure, an easy non-partisan win, which would still go to his rich friends and would have been visible to voters. He could have not fought a losing battle against Obamacare and still complained about, played the victim card but kept his base healthy.
More Republicans would still be in the house, there wouldn’t be a risk of losing the Senate, and he’d be sailing into a second term. Then, he could have destroyed democracy in the first 100 days of his second term. If just a dozen or so of them could actually get together on a plan like that, it would all be over.
@lausten You have to remember, everything the dotard does ends up being a crash and burn or destroy immediately. Even Ireland (might have been Scotland) could tell you that, because he attempted to put a golf course near the shores, destroying the area, then he just abandoned the project, leaving it an eyesore.
"Thousands of years of anthropology proves you wrong. Humans survived because the weren’t alone and worked together to do things. — snowcity"Lausten: “Posts like this make me wonder if you are pulling our collective chain the rest of the time. I know that’s a back handed compliment, but I had to say it.”
I thought the exact same thing but didn’t know how to say it in a way that didn’t sound bad.
Xain, I think I speak for at least a few others when I say posts like your last one are awesome and we’d love to see that type of thinking be applied to other topics.
It might sound odd, but that post from you has made me in a great mood. I had a crap weekend with some unhappy news about a family member and seeing your post has made me feel better.
You have to remember, everything the dotard does ends up being a crash and burn or destroy immediately. -- mrianaI see that. And I wonder, does the whole concept of a populous President depend on that person being someone like Trump or Andrew Jackson? Could an equally evil but more calculated individual pull off the type of persona that populous voters are attracted to? So many politicians claim to be "outside the beltway" or "the person for the people", but how many of them are really believable? Seems like the less able you are to organize something like a federal government, the better you are at attracting those kinds of votes.
@lausten The dotard wasn’t elected by popular vote. He lost the popular vote. That said, President Obama was and is very charismatic- in a good way. However, there might come a day when the U.S. falls for a person who is charismatic in a bad way. That is to say, the U.S. could end up electing a “Hitler” by the popular vote or by the E.C. We could abolish the E.C. and by popular vote fall for a person who is charismatic like Hitler. I knew President Obama was very charismatic when I began campaigning for him, but I listened to what he said and researched his political career beforehand. Not everyone does their research and that is how we ended up with the dotard- brainwashed gullible masses fell for him. He’s swindler, a carpetbagger, a sociopath, out to screw people and destroy crap, because he doesn’t care. The next person the gullible masses put into office could be even worse, but VP Biden won’t be that worse person. It will be someone else.
Here’s documentary I was referring to and it was Scotland, not Ireland, but he did the same thing in Ireland too: