I believe the statement being referred to is this:
Xian said:
But proving you wrong is equally amusing at times.
This is NOT saying what Sree said it said:
He said that he was proving me wrong for fun.
What Xian said was when he does prove you wrong, Sree, he finds it amusing, but he was not and is not doing it for fun. It just so happens though, you, Sree, are wrong a lot and sometimes, especially when we can show you are wrong, it is amusing.
Watching the debates and the follow-up and the 60 minutes thing with all four of them on this Sunday, I really got a dose of how Trump does it. He’s basically the popular guy at the frat, the one who teased everyone and put down people, but then did nice things occasionally and had money so he managed to stay popular. Biden is not handling this well. He should find some 30 something who knows how to deal with bullies like this. Harris is doing a little better, but she laughs too much, that’s not an argument.
For instance, in the debate, Trump said he had done more for black people SINCE Lincoln, something like that. Biden said something like, he thinks he’s Lincoln. Trump jumped on that and Biden took the bait and lost the battle of wits. Trump controlled the conversation of one minute, his entire goal. “Come 'on man” is already a joke phrase for him that Jim Carey has down.
What he should have done is smiled, leaned back, and said, “um, sorry, then what did you say?” Then he’d have to repeat the ridiculous thing he said, and Biden could say, “well, sorry, I misquoted you. You don’t think you ARE Lincoln, you said you are second only to Lincoln. I’ll be sure and be clear about that in the future.” He wouldn’t even have to use a mocking tone, the less mocking sounding the better.
People like Sree are on a high right now because the guy who plays with words is winning. This will end, and anti-bullying will be as common as anti-smoking.
lausten said; I wacked my head on an open cupboard door the other day. There’s definitely something there.I do that all the time, because it feels so good when I stop doing it.
But seriously, Anil Seth observes that people perceive reality via a “controlled hallucination” (we actively create and project reality) and only when our hallucination is shared by others can we call that reality.
Of course reality is much more than we are able to observe. Just out perception of wavelengths (colors) is but a sliver of the electro-magnetic spectrum.
write4u: "...Anil Seth observes that people perceive reality via a “controlled hallucination” (we actively create and project reality) and only when our hallucination is shared by others can we call that reality."How does he observe this? It is his opinion or is there some sort of scan or other method that allows us to somehow 'see' how we perceive reality?
Doesn’t cracking your head on an open cupboard door while your alone contradict the idea that it has to be shared to call it reality? My reality is my reality whether I’m alone or speaking face-to-face with my daughter or typing a message to mates on an internet forum.
Doesn’t cracking your head on an open cupboard door while your alone contradict the idea that it has to be shared to call it reality? My reality is my reality whether I’m alone or speaking face-to-face with my daughter or typing a message to mates on an internet forum. - 3pointYou have got to trust your senses the way your dog does. People who read too much are nuts.
Sree reminds me of people like this: http://www.yourconstruct3.blogspot.com/
But seriously, Anil Seth observes that people perceive reality via a “controlled hallucination” (we actively create and project reality) and only when our hallucination is shared by others can we call that reality.Of course reality is much more than we are able to observe. Just out perception of wavelengths (colors) is but a sliver of the electro-magnetic spectrum.
People who read too much are nuts.
There’s such a thing as reading too much? I always thought most people don’t read enough and those who don’t read enough are so painfully ignorant.
Xain: "I’m not saying I believe solipsism but it’s hard to argue with it sometimes."No one can hold an absolutely defensible position on it, so the fact you can't is to be expected.
Believing or not believing is only important if your position affects you in some way. My point has always been that your position shouldn’t have any impact on your life. So relax!
Believing or not believing is only important if your position affects you in some way. My point has always been that your position shouldn’t have any impact on your life. So relax! - 3pointHis position - like this kid's in the clip below - is driving us nuts.
There’s such a thing as reading too much? I always thought most people don’t read enough and those who don’t read enough are so painfully ignorant.Actually I find those who rarely read to be quite pleasant and tolerant surprisingly. It's those who read a lot that tend to be insufferable.
Actually I find those who rarely read to be quite pleasant and tolerant surprisingly. It’s those who read a lot that tend to be insufferable.
Interesting. I find it quite the opposite. Those who rarely read are generally dumpster people (people who support the dotard) and they push the dotard on others, not knowing how much of a sociopath he is. There’s this one woman, who believes the dotard has done a ton of things for the U.S., when he hasn’t. She brings it up first because she believes she needs to campaign for him, despite a pandemic and despite the fact I keep telling her I do not discuss politics on the job. I don’t find her pleasant when I don’t want to discuss politics. There’s 3 things I was taught not to discuss in public growing up- politics, religion, and sadly I forget the third one. Dumpster people seem to forget this though. I’m the one who reads a lot and would prefer not to discuss politics at work because I do not wish to say something angers her or anyone and end up fired for it. Yet she continues and I continue to say, “I do not discuss politics on the job.”
Stick to your standards Mriana.
@snowcity, To a totalitarian, pleasant and tolerant is another totalitarian that totally agrees with them.
Some one trying to share facts and honest discussion, that they see as an enemy - to be feared and vanquished. yada, yada, yada
I agree CC.
People who read often disagree with those who don’t read causing those who don’t read to think those who read are annoying. It never occurs to those who don’t read that by continuing to be wrong, they are annoying to those who read.
Of course there are many times when those who read are wrong (I only need a mirror to see an example) but the scales are seriously tipped in favour of those who read.
I have friends who never read but are very smart in business and in their area of work. They tend to stay away from topics that require book-learning and focus on life and day-to-day things like sports and local news. We rarely disagree since we don’t get into topics like this. I am the opposite of them in that I am painfully stupid in life skills and business but know the answers to trivia game questions and stuff like that.
I have friends who never read but are very smart in business and in their area of work. - 3pointIs that not all that matters - being smart at putting food on the table and making a living? When I was in high school I would get into topics like this at dinner and my father would tell me to shut up and eat.
Is that not all that matters – being smart at putting food on the table and making a living?
No it’s not all that matters. You can make a living, but if you don’t listen to scientists and doctors (those who have a LOT of book learning and research studies) you could very well die from something that is totally preventable. One also needs to know good nutrition in order to keep their body and their family’s body healthy. The list goes on and on. Sometimes you have to read in order to stay healthy. One has to learn how to take care of their health in order to make a living and put food on the table or they will be too sick to make a living. That’s just one way reading a lot helps a person live life.
When I was in high school I would get into topics like this at dinner and my father would tell me to shut up and eat.
He wasn’t very encouraging in educating you, was he. Didn’t know how to parent very well either. He should have been interested in knowing what you were learning in school and helping with your education. Reading is fundamental.
I have the best of both worlds: a liberal mom who reads all the time, and a conservative dad who never does.
No it’s not all that matters. You can make a living, but if you don’t listen to scientists and doctors (those who have a LOT of book learning and research studies) you could very well die from something that is totally preventable. One also needs to know good nutrition in order to keep their body and their family’s body healthy. The list goes on and on. Sometimes you have to read in order to stay healthy. One has to learn how to take care of their health in order to make a living and put food on the table or they will be too sick to make a living. That’s just one way reading a lot helps a person live life.Mom reads a lot, much more than Lausten ever can, and she eschews modern medicine. She trusts natural medicine like the Queen of England does. She insisted on giving birth to me – with the help of a midwife – in our fancy Fifth Avenue home in Manhattan much to the chagrin of my father. She never vaccinated me (my father was also angry over that, she said) and has been popping homeopathy pills - for any reason - in my mouth for as long as I can remember. What can I say? I have never been ill, not even a headache. She told me recently that Trump’s personal physician is an osteopath and not a Fauci-type doctor that you trust. Mom is very strict on diet and exercise. I learned everything on a healthy lifestyle not from reading but from her, the way a cub learns naturally from a mother bear.
He wasn’t very encouraging in educating you, was he. Didn’t know how to parent very well either. He should have been interested in knowing what you were learning in school and helping with your education. Reading is fundamental.That’s exactly what my mother said! It's the reason why she left him and dragged me to live with her in the West Village: funky town. My father doesn’t believe in spoon-feeding his kid. He said that creatures in the wild don’t whine for socialized medicine; otherwise, God would have created hospitals for them. Tough love, that’s him. He inspired me to tough it out on my own against conventional wisdom. He said: "Victimhood is for suckers looking for compassion from losers."
@sree I’d trust Fauci more than an osteopath or a homeopathic doctor. Bone crackers can paralyze you and homeopaths can kill you. ie Belladonna eye drops are not safe. However, I do know how to help a woman miscarry with Belladonna without killing her, but she won’t feel so great for a bit.
If you read your Bible, Jesus was a socialist, especially with food and medicine. He was the very definition of socialism.
If you read your Bible, Jesus was a socialist, especially with food and medicine. He was the very definition of socialism.I don't think Jesus was a socialist at all. Pope Francis is a socialist, and so are a lot of priests and nuns who see Jesus the way you do. A socialist is a pack dog. Jesus was a lone wolf. He talked about salvation that comes through a way of life in freedom from fear: the fear of death, the fear of being alone without support from family and friends. Socialism is for people who can't stand up and walk on their own.
Socialism is for people who can’t stand up and walk on their own. -- SreeExactly. And that's everyone for their first year. So someone needs to be watching over them almost constantly, which means someone else needs to be getting food and fighting off predators for that person. And so on. That's what it means to be a social animal. You can't even say something against it without including it. You included the fear of being alone, that's exactly right, that would be frightening. It can be done, but it's not what were wired up for.
I don’t think Jesus was a socialist at all.
OK let’s examine this- he fed thousands of people in one setting, healed the sick- without financial compensation of the time, schooled many people without charge… sounds like socialism to me. BTW, Jesus made the lame walk again, stopped a woman from hemorrhaging, healed many with leprosy (all skin affliction were called that at the time the stories were written). That’s very much socialism. He got angry with the those who were selling crap in the temple, for profit, instead of helping other people. That’s what churches are suppose to be about- not profit, but helping others. Now, churches teach greed and hate and their people do greed and hate others, instead of loving one’s neighbour and feeding them. I had a Xian friend, who often said I was more Xian than many Xians (even though I’m a humanist) and most Xians would not know Jesus if he knocked on their door. Metaphorically, they probably wouldn’t and it seems to me, you wouldn’t either, which means Joseph Campbell is very right- “According to the Gnostics, we are all Christ crucified.” Watching people today, that’s another good metaphor as to what humans do to each other.