Proud to be an American!

This didn’t make US news, of course. Makes you proud to be an American, doesn’t it?
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27243115

This didn't make US news, of course. Makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it? http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27243115
Yes thanks to Zimmerman and the Stand Your Ground laws we now have premeditated self-defense in the US. It's called murder.(or manslaughter at least-crimes!) Everyone wants to get in on the action now. Be the first on your block to kill a burglar or mischief maker. Unfortunately this man told others of his plan to set up an ambush. Ooops! Hopefully that gets interpreted properly in court.

Allowing citizenry to kill people is an excellent way to deflect away from the realities of economic disenfranchisement.

An old man, I forget where was just convicted on two counts of premeditated murder by doing just this sort of thing. The stand you ground. Law in his case did not protect him. I’ll have to look for the article. Get back to you.

Here is the link.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/minnesota-homeowner-kills-teens/8480047/

Here is the link. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/minnesota-homeowner-kills-teens/8480047/
Yeah, I read about that one too.

There is no information on why the kid entered the garage, but that was a stupid move on his part. Sucks for his family.

There is no information on why the kid entered the garage, but that was a stupid move on his part. Sucks for his family.
I don't know the details of this situation, but there was an incident a few years ago where a young man, an exchange student, dressed in a Halloween costume went up on the porch of a house to ask directions to a Halloween party in the neighborhood and was shot dead by the homeowner. I suppose the poor kid thought he was in a civilized country where people can innocently ask directions without being killed. Unfortunately he was wrong on all counts. All exchange students should be warned that if they visit the United States they risk being killed for assuming they are among sane and friendly neighbors. Lois
There is no information on why the kid entered the garage, but that was a stupid move on his part. Sucks for his family.
I don't know the details of this situation, but there was an incident a few years ago where a young man, an exchange student, dressed in a Halloween costume went up on the porch of a house to ask directions to a Halloween party in the neighborhood and was shot dead by the homeowner. I suppose the poor kid thought he was in a civilized country where people can innocently ask directions without being killed. Unfortunately he was wrong on all counts. All exchange students should be warned that if they visit the United States they risk being killed for assuming they are among sane and friendly neighbors. LoisIf you don't know the details of the situation, it's not worth using as an example.

The article clearly states that the whole thing was a setup. Regardless of his motive for entering, he was going into a trap that was set up to entice him inside. According to the jury in Minnesota this set up was considered “premeditated murder”. That he may have entered to steal something does not mean he got what he deserved. That’s blaming the murder victim for his own murder.

These cases are both examples of people using “stand your ground” laws as a way to commit murder and get away with it.

There is no information on why the kid entered the garage, but that was a stupid move on his part. Sucks for his family.
I don't know the details of this situation, but there was an incident a few years ago where a young man, an exchange student, dressed in a Halloween costume went up on the porch of a house to ask directions to a Halloween party in the neighborhood and was shot dead by the homeowner. I suppose the poor kid thought he was in a civilized country where people can innocently ask directions without being killed. Unfortunately he was wrong on all counts. All exchange students should be warned that if they visit the United States they risk being killed for assuming they are among sane and friendly neighbors. LoisIf you don't know the details of the situation, it's not worth using as an example. It an excellent example of how stupidity and seriously buying into the mean world syndrome warps peoples perception of reality. It was Halloween night and the two young men involved had rung the doorbell before being confronted by the home owner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Yoshihiro_Hattori
Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but, seemingly receiving no response, began to walk back to their car. Meanwhile, inside the house, their arrival had not gone unnoticed. Bonnie Peairs had peered out the side door and saw them. Mrs. Peairs, startled, retreated inside, locked the door, and said to her husband, "Rodney, get your gun." Hattori and Haymaker were walking to their car when the carport door was opened by Mr. Peairs. He was armed with a loaded and cocked .44 magnum revolver. He pointed it at Hattori, and yelled "Freeze." Simultaneously, Hattori, stepped back towards the house, saying "We're here for the party." Haymaker, seeing the weapon, shouted after Hattori, but Peairs fired his weapon at point blank range at Hattori, hitting him in the chest, and then ran back inside.[2] Haymaker rushed to Hattori, badly wounded and lying where he fell, on his back. Haymaker ran to the home next door to the Peairses' house for help. Neither Mr. Peairs nor his wife came out of their house until the police arrived, about 40 minutes after the shooting. Mrs. Peairs shouted to a neighbor to "go away" when the neighbor called for help. One of the Peairses' children later told police that her mother asked, "Why did you shoot him?"

Quoting MidAtlantic:

If you don’t know the details of the situation, it’s not worth using as an example.
Unfortunately, this forum isn’t perfect. People often refer to prior information without complete documentation. Another facet of the imperfection of the members is the unbelievably stupid statement quoted above in this post.
Occam

What a tragedy, again. A young teen is dead and the U.S. Is once again vilified as having a “cowboy culture”. And who cares what the kid was doing in the garage; the “Castle Doctrine” doesn’t extend to outbuildings, garages or any other structure not permanently attached to your home. You are also required to warn the intruder that you are armed and he/she must be within 20 feet of you before you are legally able to defend yourself with deadly force. Obviously the teen was not and that should be taken into consideration at the homeowner’s trial. In short, if you own a weapon for home defense then you’d better know the laws covering it. Otherwise you’ll be the one in prison. Maybe those people requesting a gun permit should be forced to attend a “scared straight” program before they go vigilante.
Cap’t Jack

There is no information on why the kid entered the garage, but that was a stupid move on his part. Sucks for his family.
I don't know the details of this situation, but there was an incident a few years ago where a young man, an exchange student, dressed in a Halloween costume went up on the porch of a house to ask directions to a Halloween party in the neighborhood and was shot dead by the homeowner. I suppose the poor kid thought he was in a civilized country where people can innocently ask directions without being killed. Unfortunately he was wrong on all counts. All exchange students should be warned that if they visit the United States they risk being killed for assuming they are among sane and friendly neighbors. LoisIf you don't know the details of the situation, it's not worth using as an example. It an excellent example of how stupidity and seriously buying into the mean world syndrome warps peoples perception of reality. It was Halloween night and the two young men involved had rung the doorbell before being confronted by the home owner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Yoshihiro_Hattori
Hattori and Haymaker rang the front doorbell but, seemingly receiving no response, began to walk back to their car. Meanwhile, inside the house, their arrival had not gone unnoticed. Bonnie Peairs had peered out the side door and saw them. Mrs. Peairs, startled, retreated inside, locked the door, and said to her husband, "Rodney, get your gun." Hattori and Haymaker were walking to their car when the carport door was opened by Mr. Peairs. He was armed with a loaded and cocked .44 magnum revolver. He pointed it at Hattori, and yelled "Freeze." Simultaneously, Hattori, stepped back towards the house, saying "We're here for the party." Haymaker, seeing the weapon, shouted after Hattori, but Peairs fired his weapon at point blank range at Hattori, hitting him in the chest, and then ran back inside.[2] Haymaker rushed to Hattori, badly wounded and lying where he fell, on his back. Haymaker ran to the home next door to the Peairses' house for help. Neither Mr. Peairs nor his wife came out of their house until the police arrived, about 40 minutes after the shooting. Mrs. Peairs shouted to a neighbor to "go away" when the neighbor called for help. One of the Peairses' children later told police that her mother asked, "Why did you shoot him?"
Thanks for the rest of the story. Lois