Non stop engine

Dears,
I am investigating a way to make an engine that can run continuously. Currently, my result is so positive.

  1. Tools and facilities:
  • The main component of this model is a wooden toy with dragonfly shape. Its head is a rectangle which is curved upward, with long tail
  • A sharp pillar
  • A medium sizes magnet (In attached screenshot it is the round and black piece)
  • A tiny magnet
  1. Model
  • Stick the tiny magnet under the tail of dragonfly shaped specimen. The gravity of magnet makes this specimen settles down toward the tail.
  • Then, touch the sharp peak of the rectangle head of the specimen very slightly into the top of the pillar. It makes the balance status of this dragonfly toy is very unstable. It is very easy to drop down as seen in attached screenshot
  • Put the medium sized magnet at the base of the pillar so that its upward pole is the same as the downward pole of the tiny one (i.e. south to south, or north to north), and they are face to face as shown in attached screenshot
  • Keep the whole system in an insolated room, with all doors and windows are closed to prevent air wing influence.
  1. Operation:
  • The attraction force between 2 magnets makes the tail of the specimen is pulled down slightly, before it is up again. Then a new period starts with the up and down movement of the specimen tail, again and again etc.
  • The position of the medium sized magnet is adjustable so that it can give best result to the movement of the specimen. If the distance between magnets is so far, the force intensity is so weak to result in movement. Otherwise, the strong attraction force from the medium sized will also prevent the specimen from moving.
    I let my model there overnight to make sure that there is no stopping. And luckily it does not stop until now.
    I post my article here so that any interesting individual can follow and replicate my experiments.
    All of my expectation that you can contact me and replicate my experiment
    You can view my clip on youtube for reference
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4weSLjuvok&feature=youtu.be
    Thinh from Vietnam

Hi, nice toy. Perpetual motion is impossible. Eventually, everything stops.

Right. Read an elementary physics book about the second law of thermodynamics and entropy. I’ve always found it disgusting, :lol: but it’s the real world, just as Asanta says.
Occam

There used to be a bobbing bird toy that did pretty much the same thing.

There used to be a bobbing bird toy that did pretty much the same thing.
It was a heat engine. Water evaporated from the head.
Hi, nice toy. Perpetual motion is impossible. Eventually, everything stops.
Actually it does not stop. I let it in isolated room, and visits it randomly to se that it still vibrates
There used to be a bobbing bird toy that did pretty much the same thing.
Yes, and it also stops eventually.

The magnets create periodic motion after the dragonfly has had some force applied to it, but energy will be lost over time due to friction from the joint and air. The dragonfly looks so light that even the gust of air from opening the door or an air current flowing under the closed door could set it in motion again.

The magnets create periodic motion after the dragonfly has had some force applied to it, but energy will be lost over time due to friction from the joint and air. The dragonfly looks so light that even the gust of air from opening the door or an air current flowing under the closed door could set it in motion again.
I also think about it when performing the experiment. Below are my checking: 1. All windows and doors of the room are closed. 2. When I removed the magnet, the toy stays motionlessly 3. When I put the magnet to its position again as seen in attached image, the dragonfly begins to swing and keeps this state over days. Is there anything missing in my actions? All opinions are welcomed
3. When I put the magnet to its position again as seen in attached image, the dragonfly begins to swing and keeps this state over days. Is there anything missing in my actions? All opinions are welcomed
Days ≠ perpetual motion.
Is there anything missing in my actions? All opinions are welcomed
The magnet will eventually run out of its strength and the motion will stop.

While it appears tricky with the magnets, what you’ve set up is a pendulum. If you could measure over time the arc the unit is traversing, you would find that it would be getting smaller and smaller, albeit extremely slowly. You supplied the energy when you started it. Each cycle of it moving through the air causes a very tiny bit of that energy to be drained through air being moved. I can take a long time, but eventually you’ll see the swing getting shorter and shorter.
Occam

Or interaction with air currents will keep it going.

While it appears tricky with the magnets, what you've set up is a pendulum. If you could measure over time the arc the unit is traversing, you would find that it would be getting smaller and smaller, albeit extremely slowly. You supplied the energy when you started it. Each cycle of it moving through the air causes a very tiny bit of that energy to be drained through air being moved. I can take a long time, but eventually you'll see the swing getting shorter and shorter. Occam
Yes, the swing getting shorter and shorter. But it does not go to permanent stop eventually. It's slow down to a threshold and remains this status for days
Yes, the swing getting shorter and shorter. But it does not go to permanent stop eventually. It's slow down to a threshold and remains this status for days
'For Days' is still far, far from non-stop.

Everyone has spelled out the problem here very well but this person doesn’t seem to understand the logic and wants to believe in magic.
One small but important point here. The word machine is defined as something that does work. Doing work by definition requires the use of energy so unless you add energy to a working machine it will eventually run out of energy and stop. Even in a perfect world where you could eliminate all forms of of friction and resistance you could never have a perpetual motion machine because you can’t do work without the consumption of energy. You could have a perpetual motion object ( Like a galaxy moving through the universe or in a fantasy world, a pinwheel spinning in a perfect vacuum on an impossibly frictionless pivot) but not a machine.

The OPs device obviously doesn’t work. BUT check this out: http://planetsave.com/2013/01/06/temperature-below-absolute-zero-achieved/ Evidently this has consequences for perpetual motion.

Everyone has spelled out the problem here very well but this person doesn't seem to understand the logic and wants to believe in magic. One small but important point here. The word machine is defined as something that does work. Doing work by definition requires the use of energy so unless you add energy to a working machine it will eventually run out of energy and stop. Even in a perfect world where you could eliminate all forms of of friction and resistance you could never have a perpetual motion machine because you can't do work without the consumption of energy. You could have a perpetual motion object ( Like a galaxy moving through the universe or in a fantasy world, a pinwheel spinning in a perfect vacuum on an impossibly frictionless pivot) but not a machine.
I don't think there is magic here. It is only result of my observation when performing my hands-on work. There are always observed facts conflict with theoritical principal. And this is motivation for theory to be developed. I believe that this phenomenon will have an acceptable explanation, sooner or later
I don't think there is magic here. It is only result of my observation when performing my hands-on work. There are always observed facts conflict with theoritical principal. And this is motivation for theory to be developed. I believe that this phenomenon will have an acceptable explanation, sooner or later
The explanation will be that it will eventually STOP. There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. It is impossible on grounds stated by the first and/or second laws of thermodynamics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

I only just looked at the actual video and find it less than convincing. There is room for all sort of error in your experimental design. First, the device itself is extremely lightweight and its design allows even the smallest amount of energy to be converted into motion. Extremely small air currents or ground vibrations could create random motion in this device. In order to have any credibility at all you would have to redesign your apparatus in several ways.

  1. Eliminate the effect of air currents by placing the device in a an air tight container or Bell Jar
  2. Isolate the device from vibration - I’m not an engineer but maybe you can get some ideas HERE]
  3. Isolate the device from sound vibration - may require some modifications in addition to those in step 2
  4. Design a sensitive measuring instrument that can objectively measure the motion of your device to determine its extinction rate as well as its velocity and direction. This will allow you to do two things. It will allow you to determine if the motion is slowly decreasing in a precise and objective way and therefor not truly perpetual. It will also allow you to determine if the motion is a perpetuation of the original motion or instead some random motion imparted by external forces.
    I may have missed some things here but at the very least you would need to satisfy these requirements. I would be willing to bet that once you do this you will find your device is not a perpetual motion device at all. If you dont do these things there is enough good physics to say your conclusions are wrong so that no one else is going to take the time to investigate further or take you seriously.