Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccine results have not been peer reviewed, which is all part of the scientific process. Under “Science and Technology”
The data have not yet been published or peer reviewed, and the overall effectiveness of the vaccine may change as the study continues.
Sure is anti russian propaganda. </blockquote)Say what you want, you’re still wrong and it has all to do with science, but you can argue this all you want, the fact is, the Russian vaccine is no good. Period.
This doesnt make sense to you??--antonAs I explained, it makes perfect sense to me. It’s what I said over a page ago in this conversation. But then you also say the Russian vaccine is equivalent to Moderna and Pfizer.
just as the Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine will be in next week or two after prelinimary findings only. --antonthat's the part that doesn't make sense. You are trolling and swearing. You’re time here is numbered.
Mrina says the Russian vaccine is no good. Period.
Like she knows and has the authority and qualifications to say so.
“But then you also say the Russian vaccine is equivalent to Moderna and Pfizer.”
I am saying maybe maybe not. Wait on final report. In fact it may even be better as it can be stored at room temperture while the others cannot.
“that’s the part that doesn’t make sense”
Quote the whole sentence please. The Russian and american vaccine companies are apply for emergency use before phase 3 completed. Dont know why you are arguing over this point
Here’s the thing, none of us need to worry about stage 3 at this point, because none of us, unless we are healthcare workers, will get the vaccine any time soon. After they get it, comes the elderly and high risk… again, unless you fit the category, there’s no sense arguing about the vaccine. By the time we are able to get it, we’ll know how safe it is. Hopefully, elderly parents, like my mother who will be 76 in a few days, not only survives the pandemic, but the vaccine too.
In case you are wondering where I got the order who gets the vaccine first, next, etc. Dr. Fauci has been saying this, so this argument about the vaccine is pointless.
While Fauci says he expects those vaccines to be highly effective as well, he says says high-risk groups like hospital and nursing home workers will get them first. Most Americans will most likely have to keep up preventative measures like social distancing well into next year while they wait for their doses.Still, Fauci said relative normalcy could return by spring or summer of 2021.
Dont know why you are arguing over this point -- antonI'm not arguing that point. It's very clear what I was arguing. I repeated it almost every post for two pages. I'm not going to cut and paste anything else, repeat anything else, or otherwise keep this going according to your rules. I am not interested in helping you save face or attempting to say words in some order that satisfies you. I highly doubt you will ever concede a point of any kind or attempt to come to an agreement or even just a clarification. That's not your goal.
Lausten - does it make sense now that vaccines can be in used in workers before the science is conculsive on its safety and effectiveness and offically approved due to emergency reasons???
Yes
Then what is this fussing all this about?
“You don’t get to just say “it’s a vaccine” and automatically get a free pass to no scrutiny of your testing methods. The testing methods and review of the results IS the science”
You don’t apply this std the other “vaccines”
“but the 40,000 doesn’t mean what you think it does.”
Left it at that. No further explanation offered
“The people who are saying the vaccines are ready to go are Putin and a few people close to him”
How dishonest when you know its about manufacturing before approval and ready for emergency needs.
“The 92% efficacy is highly doubtful. The problem is, they aren’t releasing their data and publishing their methods like Pfizer and BioNTech have. The real question is, why do you think it is true?”
Said when you know interim results are to be published.
“Even when you cherry pick from your cherry picking, it says what I said”
There is criticism of the clinical trials for the others but you wont hear this from you. Wait for interim and final reports before you make judgement.
Are you a Poe?
You don’t apply this std the other “vaccines”
“std”? I know you don’t mean sexually transmitted disease, but I doubt anyone else understands what you mean with that abbreviation. Whatever it is, other vaccines have been thoroughly tested. Even the Chickenpox vaccine when through thorough testing and was given to those most at risk if they got Chickenpox. However, as I said, you arguing with everyone on the forum about this vaccine is pointless because almost none, if any of us, will get the vaccine as fast as they start distributing it. Healthcare workers will be first, while the majority of us will far down the line. If there is an issue, we know long before it’s our turn to get it. More than likely we won’t be able to receive the vaccine until 2022. So what’s the point of continuing your argument for the Russian one, when we more than likely won’t even use it in the U.S.?
Are you a Poe? -- antonGood one. Hard to tell on the internet isn't it?
Then what is this fussing all this about?Everything you quote and comment after this is what the fuss is about. The fuss is what you are making. To the one question that I simply answered "yes", I had been saying that from the beginning. An accomplished troll like yourself is expert at saying many things that are factual and sensical, then, when then they say something ridiculous and inflammatory they point back to the sensible thing and say, "that's what I've been saying, see I'm sensible, look at this sensible thing I said."
No further explanation offeredIt's not my job to teach you how clinical trials work or to break down every phrase in an article and define it. Again, professional trolling behavior. You don't seem to care what point I'm trying to make or what kind of facts I'm trying to find agreement about. You just want me to keep typing, to keep responding. No matter what I say, you'll find something wrong with it.
For everyone’s reading “pleasure” and something to think about:
Changing the goal posts again. Your posts here are tainted with nefarious russians in producing a vaccine and at times condescending when the disscussion is narrowed to the science
@anton Changing the goal posts again.What is that about? Let's focus on the 40,000
'The trial is planned to enrol over 40,000 patients, half receiving the vaccine and half placebo."Mean you don't get to speak about as a thing that has already happened.
You’re the one getting a tad hysterical about nefarious Russian.
But, since you’re worried about why some don’t trust the Russians, and why others believe they are enemies.
nytimes _ com/2020/03/29/technology/russia-troll-farm-election _ html
The Conversation Opinion: Russian trolls have adapted their methods since 2016 — and continue to mislead and spread social discord ahead of 2020 elections Published: Aug. 14, 2020 - By Gianluca Stringhini, and Savvas ZannettouImages that Russian government-backed trolls posted on Twitter appeared on other social networks, including Reddit, 4chan and Gab
… As part of our study to understand how these trolls operate, we analyzed 1.8 million images posted on Twitter by 3,600 accounts identified by Twitter itself as being part of Russian government-sponsored disinformation campaigns, from before the 2016 election through 2018, when those accounts were shut down by Twitter.
While our study focused on those specific accounts, it’s reasonable to assume that others exist and are still active. Until they were blocked by Twitter, the accounts we studied were sharing images about events in Russia, Ukraine and the U.S. — including divisive political events like the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017. The images Russian government-backed trolls posted on Twitter appeared on other social networks, including Reddit, 4chan and Gab. …
@anton if you are referring to the article I posted before your last reply, it had nothing to with Russia and their vaccine. It concerns Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines.
But on to the main topic, here’s a selection for you:
Does Trump owe Russia? The Supreme Court’s ruling on the president’s taxes may eventually give us answers Elaine Kamarck , July 10, 2020www brookings _ edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/10/does-trump-owe-russia-the-supreme-courts-ruling-on-the-presidents-taxes-may-eventually-give-us-answers/
“You’ve made yourself beholden to Putin.” June 12, 2019,www americanprogressaction _ org/progress-reports/youve-made-beholden-putin/
Russia’s hold on Trump, as detailed in the Mueller reportYou know it’s bad when Republican allies say that Trump’s campaign is “beholden to Putin.”
Here are three takeaways from today’s hearing:
All of Russia’s actions accumulated to gain leverage over Trump: From contacting George Papapdopoulos to coordinating with Donald Trump, Jr., to backing up Trump’s and Cohen’s lies about the Trump Tower Moscow, the Kremlin succeeded in influencing Trump’s campaign and accumulating enough leverage to continue influencing Trump once he was in office.
Trump and his inner circle are compromised: One former FBI official put it this way: “If you can be compromised based on your dishonesty about something, that’s something a foreign intelligence agency can take advantage of.” That describes Trump and his inner circle. That’s exactly the alarm that was raised about Michael Flynn when he lied about his calls with Russia. The danger that poses to our national security cannot be overstated.
It’s Congress’s job to make sure that Americans know what Mueller’s report does—and does NOT—say: Rep. Adam Schiff began the hearing by making the report’s conclusions clear in no uncertain terms: “For those who have not yet read the Mueller report, and most have not, they might be astonished to learn that a finding of no collusion, much less a finding of no obstruction, is nowhere to be seen on any page or in any passage of the Mueller report.”
How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business After his financial disasters two decades ago, no U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in.BY MICHAEL HIRSH | DECEMBER 21, 2018,
foreignpolicy _ com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
… But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as what isreportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in 2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” …
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/opinion/sunday/trump-business-mueller-money-laundering.html
All of Trump’s Russia Ties, in 7 ChartsBy MICHAEL CROWLEY
March/April 2017
www politico _ com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868
What is the real story of Donald Trump and Russia? The answer is still unclear, and Democrats in Congress want to get to the bottom of it with an investigation. But there’s no doubt that a spider web of connections—some public, some private, some clear, some murky—exists between Trump, his associates and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
These charts illustrate dozens of those links, including meetings between Russian officials and members of Trump’s campaign and administration; his daughter’s ties to Putin’s friends; Trump’s 2013 visit to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant; and his short-lived mixed martial arts venture with one of Putin’s favorite athletes. The solid lines mark established facts, while dotted ones represent speculative or unproven connections.
BY JEFF NESBIT UPDATED: AUGUST 15, 2016 10:39 AM EThttps:// time _ com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/
So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
“The Trump-Russia links beneath the surface are even more extensive,” Max Boot wrote in the Los Angeles Times. “Trump has sought and received funding from Russian investors for his business ventures, especially after most American banks stopped lending to him following his multiple bankruptcies.”
What’s more, three of Trump’s top advisors all have extensive financial and business ties to Russian financiers, wrote Boot, the former editor of the Op Ed page of the Wall Street Journal and now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. …
Yes that is plenty unacceptable for an American President.
“Mean you don’t get to speak about as a thing that has already happened.”
I dont understand what you are saying here
As i have explained, a strong case can be made that trump is israels puppet but all you focus on is cold war sabre -rattling.
No Mriana i wasnt referring to the article you posted