Let's talk about feminism

I don’t really get it. I read and re-read your post, and I fully agree with it. What is the problem?

We need to aim at and develop autonomy as one of our fundamental trait, doesn’t mean we should live alone in the forest, right?

If I said that, please let me know which line I said that made you think I said that.

Maybe if stated what you agree with that would help. Your emphasis on individual freedom doesn’t seem agreeable to me.

I agree with each sentence.

Why?

That’s what I’m asking

Typo, I edited the post

Each sentence where? You’ve said I’m wrong a few times you know.

“Each sentence where? You’ve said I’m wrong a few times you know.” Your post #33

You said, in the next post

But I do not put aside the social animal part!

Do you know what an internet troll is? You jump from one pov to another, changing your stance, making claims, providing what you say is evidence but not responding to the evidence of others.

Most trolls don’t think of themselves as trolls. They don’t intend to be disruptive, but their posts effectively are.

“Not utopia or dreams, but a real knowledge of things.” (Pas d’utopie ni de rêve, mais un savoir réel des choses.)

Clémence Royer (1830-1902), French free-thinker, feminist, linguist, naturalist, sociologist, mathematician, philosopher, translator of Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species.

“Philosophie et libération des femmes”, Journée de Philosophie à l’Unesco, 2004

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It seems to me what he agrees with is what he thinks and if you don’t agree with his thinking, then he doesn’t agree. Back to Barbie. I didn’t agree with him, so he didn’t agree with me. The same goes for Romanticism. :roll_eyes:

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Macho men states that one of their role, their legitimacy, is to protect women. A role that deemed “weak men” don’t fulfill. And they often beat women in the household.

A growing body of research has demonstrated that low relational power in a variety of social contexts can promote aggression as an active assertion or demonstration of power (e.g., Bradley & Peters, 1991; Bugental & Lin, 2001; Fast & Chen, 2009; Overall, Hammond, McNulty, & Finkel, 2016). Recent evidence has also shown that the link between low relationship power and aggression in heterosexual intimate relationships is particularly pronounced for men (Overall et al., 2016). The primary reason proffered for why men may be more likely to respond to relationship power with aggression is that social expectations associated with traditional masculinity are tied to the possession and demonstration of power, and so low relationship power can threaten men’s masculine identity (Bosson & Vandello, 2011; Kimmel, 2008; Vescio, Schlenker, & Lenes, 2010). Moreover, because aggression is an active way to assert and demonstrate power, men with lower relationship power may enact aggression to redress the masculine identity threat low power entails (Bosson & Vandello, 2011; Vandello, Bosson, Cohen, Burnaford, & Weaver, 2008; Vescio et al., 2010).

Harrington, A. G., Overall, N. C., & Cross, E. J. (2021). Masculine gender role stress, low relationship power, and aggression toward intimate partners. Psychology of Men & Masculinities, 22(1), 48.

I think it is the role of other men to protect women from these macho men, by having the courage to criticize, together with women feminists, their macho ideology and system.

Makeup should be choice, not a social coercion.

Heard about this movement from the Youtube short below, but it’s in French and Spanish:

I’ve never met a woman that hates wearing makeup.

You really need to get out more

PC nonsense. Women like to look as good as possible and makeup is a big part of that.

I’ve had conversations with women about this for as long as I’ve been around women who can choose makeup or not. You’re doing to need a lot more than that to change my mind.

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Makeup has been imposed on women for many decades now. A woman can’t be professional if they don’t wear it nor can they get ahead without it. Yet, there are many women who would rather not wear it if they don’t have to. On my days off, I don’t wear makeup, not even to go to Walmart. Why bother with it to go to Walmart? Who even cares? It really isn’t worth the time or effort to put it on myself. Not all women like to get up early to put on makeup before work.

I could say the same thing from my angle. The only difference is I’m right. All women except for lesbians want to look good.

I am not against being empirical and realistic, but I am suspicious being empirical and realistic based on traditions and religions, because traditions and religions can very bias our understanding and grasping of empirical facts and reality.

That doesn’t indicate anything. Women could have many reasons to want to look good. One reason is social coercion: if they don’t use makeup, they may be looked down upon, or ignored as a person. There could be evolutionary reasons (although evolutionary psychology can be quite speculative), as well as tons of other reasons. There could be cultural reasons. I feel French women use far less makeup than American women, for example.

And makeup is expensive and is detrimental to the skin. And to the environment.

At one point, men used to smoke a lot, or to never take care of children. Fortunately, changes in policies and public perception changed that.

Except it’s easy to find published statements of women saying they don’t like makeup. So you have to show that all of them of are lying or something.