Just listened to a talk of Abnousse Shalmani about gender roles.
Like Madeleine Pelletier, the first French woman psychiatrist in 1905, I believe, and I quote her, that “the suppression of female servitude requires the suppression of coquetry, restraint, exaggerated modesty, mawkishness of mind and language.”
I’d like to never hear again: “A girl doesn’t do that!”
You have to sit properly, but that has nothing to do with being a girl.
It’s just more polite.
You have to avoid raising your voice, but not because you’re a girl, just because you don’t make yourself heard by shouting. (DeepL translation checked by myself)
Tout comme Madeleine Pelletier, première femme française psychiatre en 1905, je crois, et je la cite, que : « la suppression de la servitude féminine passe par la suppression de la coquetterie, de la retenue, de la pudeur exagérée, des mièvreries de l’esprit et du langage. »
J’aimerais ne plus jamais entendre : « une fille ne fait pas ça ! »
Il faut s’asseoir correctement, mais cela n’a rien à voir avec le fait d’être une fille.
C’est juste plus poli.
Il faut éviter d’élever la voix, mais pas parce qu’on est une fille, juste parce qu’on ne se fait pas entendre en criant. (Original)
Gloria Steinem of course. She’s been around all my life and she fought for the ERA, was against Vietnam War, supported abortion/reproductive rights, among other things. I read MS magazine before I was even a teenager. My favourite section to read was “A thump on the head”. Her only mistake, IMO, was not supporting Shirley Chisholm. Even so, she was an all around feminist.
Part of her address to Women of America:
This is no simple reform. It really is a revolution. Sex and race because they are easy and visible differences have been the primary ways of organizing human beings into superior and inferior groups and into the cheap labor on which this system still depends. We are talking about a society in which there will be no roles other than those chosen or those earned. We are really talking about humanism.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem#cite_note-61)
Feminism should, I believe, be included in the different philosophies (naturalism, consequentialism, individualism, etc.) that define secular humanism.
In an ideal world, we would not need feminism, and individualism and humanism should be fine (women are humans, and should be treated as such based on the principles of humanism, why making a difference?), but as a point of fact, history (and evolution) has left us with such an amount of prejudices against women (and men) that we specifically need to “deconstruct” them, if humanism was to be applied to everybody, including men.
Feminism is only a means to ensure life for each individual and to reach higher autonomy for each individual.
None of what you said made any sense. How is fighting for abortion rights and reproductive rights not a group thing? Yes, it does deal with the individual, but you also have to have health care rights for everyone and abortion and reproduction IS health care. It needs to be codified just as voting rights have been codified and again this is a group thing, not an individual thing. In order to have rights for one, everyone in that group must have that right too. It is/was the same for voting rights too.
But left-leaning people such as Gloria Steinem focus on groups.
I’m “left-leaning” and as I said, you have to focus on groups of people and in this case the focus is on women’s rights, which includes health care rights. You can’t just focus on the individual in these cases. It is men who attempt to take rights, especially things that deal with health care, from women, which is where the biggest difference is. Men can’t have abortions, yet they do have more reproductive rights than women. However, abortions are health care for women in that it can save their life, it can give them a chance to grow up (young girls raped or victims of incest), it can give them a totally different life then if they carried said pregnancy to term, it can keep them from dealing with a baby that dies minutes after birth, among many other reasons for abortion. The thing is, it has to be a safe abortion and that has to be done under the care of a real doctor.
Left-leaning feminist care about the group, not about the individuals. This is what translates in their rhetoric, in their modes of action, and even in their goals (talking more about “women” as a group of people, than as individuals).
It is men who attempt to take rights, especially things that deal with health care, from women, which is where the biggest difference is.
Condorcet and Mill were among the first feminists…
The rhetoric you have well illustrates what I say above: it tends to antagonize groups of people.
For instance when you say “It is men who attempt to take rights”, I feel quite offended as a feminist man.