Just when you thought we were making some social progress in this country....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/22/us/religious-right-in-arizona-cheers-bill-allowing-businesses-to-refuse-to-serve-gays.html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/22/us/religious-right-in-arizona-cheers-bill-allowing-businesses-to-refuse-to-serve-gays.html?_r=0
We'll never make progress as long as there are ao many right wing nuts in the country. Unfortunately, they never change. We just have to wait for them to die out. Lois

Lolwut?
Are there laws in Arizona which state that all businesses must serve gays in a satisfactory manner? These laws have been violated?

Lolwut? Are there laws in Arizona which state that all businesses must serve gays in a satisfactory manner? These laws have been violated?
The problem with creating such a law is that it legalizes and institutionalizes discrimination against a specific group. It doesnt say that restaurant owners can refuse service to anyone they wish. It specifically says that restaurant owners can discriminate against gays implying that they are a special group that does not deserve the same common courtesies and protections as everyone else.
Lolwut? Are there laws in Arizona which state that all businesses must serve gays in a satisfactory manner? These laws have been violated?
The problem with creating such a law is that it legalizes and institutionalizes discrimination against a specific group. It doesnt say that restaurant owners can refuse service to anyone they wish. It specifically says that restaurant owners can discriminate against gays implying that they are a special group that does not deserve the same common courtesies and protections as everyone else. Not only that, they have added the phrase the phrase "closely held religious beliefs." Not only can no one tell whether someone actually has such beliefs, anyone who wants to discriminate against anyone for any reason can use that excuse at will. There were plenty of people who pointed to the bible as upholding slavery and racial discrimination. What would stop them from doing the same in Arizona now? Government falls into an inextricable morass when it excuses people from following laws because they claim their religion demands it. Anyone's "religion" can "demand" anything, and probably has. I wonder if the women of Arizona realize that "closely held religious beliefs" can subject them to misogynistic discrimination, too? In fact anyone can legally be discriminated against with this law. In addition, this law would protect a fundamentalist Muslim man who has "closely-held religious beliefs" that he can kill his daughters for shaming the family. He can also stone women for adultery or just beat his wife. And why not? Who is to say which "closely held religious beliefs" qualify and which ones don't? Lois
Lolwut? Are there laws in Arizona which state that all businesses must serve gays in a satisfactory manner? These laws have been violated?
The problem with creating such a law is that it legalizes and institutionalizes discrimination against a specific group. It doesnt say that restaurant owners can refuse service to anyone they wish. It specifically says that restaurant owners can discriminate against gays implying that they are a special group that does not deserve the same common courtesies and protections as everyone else.Ah, they should ban any law that allows them to discriminate. That way they can still discriminate and get away with it. :coolsmirk:
The problem with creating such a law is that it legalizes and institutionalizes discrimination against a specific group. It doesnt say that restaurant owners can refuse service to anyone they wish. It specifically says that restaurant owners can discriminate against gays implying that they are a special group that does not deserve the same common courtesies and protections as everyone else.
And that is a clear violation of the statutes of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 giving the Federal Government the power to protect citizens against discrimination by the states or individuals. Passage of this bill would mean that the Governor is specifically targeting a minority group on the basis of sexual orientation. The whole concept of discrimination by religious dogma has the same connotation as state governments forcing public schools to teach ID. Hopefully Brewer will be wise enough to drop this hot potato. Cap't Jack
The problem with creating such a law is that it legalizes and institutionalizes discrimination against a specific group. It doesnt say that restaurant owners can refuse service to anyone they wish. It specifically says that restaurant owners can discriminate against gays implying that they are a special group that does not deserve the same common courtesies and protections as everyone else.
And that is a clear violation of the statutes of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 giving the Federal Government the power to protect citizens against discrimination by the states or individuals. Passage of this bill would mean that the Governor is specifically targeting a minority group on the basis of sexual orientation. The whole concept of discrimination by religious dogma has the same connotation as state governments forcing public schools to teach ID. Hopefully Brewer will be wise enough to drop this hot potato. Cap't Jack
If she signs it it will go to the Supreme Court and I can't imagine that even this "conservative" court would rule that the law is Constitutional. Lois

I think the underlying idea of such measures is disturbing, that if you marginalize and ostracise certain people and groups they’ll just fade away. The ugly truth is that measures like this can lead to violence and discrimination against those singled out as “different” as the more extreme individuals in society feel empowered to act out.
The law against gay “propaganda” was probably enacted by the Russian government as a way to strengthen its ties with the Orthodox Church which is one of the Putin government’s big backers now. It has resulted in increased violence against LGBT people in the country.