What do you think made you feel that way?
Pretty much everything I read from that site. And no one is answering my questions on it or explaining how I “misunderstand” it, nada, I’m going out of my mind here that I’m afraid I’ll snap or something.
So, you agree with them, that no one can make you feel anything?
I mean…I don’t, but I don’t know how to argue against them and I’m afraid the more I think about it the more right they are and I can’t find out how they’re wrong. And I don’t know what it would mean if they are right. Like…if stuff doesn’t “make” me happy then why do anything? What am I supposed to do?
But no one there explains anything, just saying “you misunderstand it” but don’t say how.
Let me try to present an approach that may result in emotional satisfaction while using your special abilities for “pattern recognition”.
Instead of looking at your condition as a disability, use your special ability to recognize patterns for good purpose.
I always get a feeling of “discovery” when I look at natural patterns and their variations in nature and marvel at the natural selective processes that are responsible for the infinite variety of the most beautiful patterns naturally emerging over time.
A few samples to feast your eyes on.
a) Fibonacci sequence.
Do you see the artistry of the natural mathematical function that takes a pattern and spontaneously express that pattern everywhere in the universe?
Personally I am awed by this inherent ability of the universal properties to form the most elegant and efficient growth patterns .
Very sorry, i will try to be more careful now
I’ll be honest that spiral doesn’t mean a whole lot to me. I’m still tied in knots over emotions.
Like this, that doesn’t mean something to me but other things do. So if it is the meaning I give them and not the things themselves what does it mean when doing something makes you happy? IS it the process? But then what gives it the meaning to begin with? Society? But then am I just choosing a different meaning because he told me to?
If we decide what matters then what motivates that if not emotion? But if it is something that is influencing me to give something meaning then is it really a choice?
Like stuff affects us if we care about it and doesn’t really if we don’t, but does that mean it’s just beliefs and thoughts creating emotions or something else? But if it is thoughts and beliefs then what creates the emotions that influence those ones? Also if it is beliefs and thoughts that do it why do certain ones lead to some emotions while others don’t. Why are threats shown by anger and fear and other stuff different? Do we control that? If not then it’s not in our control, and if we don’t control what thoughts and beliefs lead to certain emotions then what else isn’t in our control?
Just because the emotions come from us doesn’t mean we control them or decide what makes us feel what. He says we can shape our lives and take back power but that assumes we had it to begin with. We don’t control what we want after all. So then what determines that and do we have a say in it? Do we determine that determination?
So many questions swirl in my head and I know they won’t answer a single one, which sucks.
How do you know there are no answers to the questions swirling in your head?
Have you tried researching just 1 of those questions and actually looking up the definition and general description of how it manifests itself in reality?
Such an approach will always refer to more in-depth science, but you don’t need to know all the science in order to “understand” the principles involved.
Principle 1:
That emotional rush when experiencing a Eureka moment does not precede discovery.
It follows discovery and cognition of a natural principle. But that journey requires doing some actual research, not just asking questions from people like me.
You display curiousness, but are reluctant to actually put in the effort to learn that “discovery” is emotionally rewarding. “Eureka”!
One of those feel-good emotions, “satisfaction” is generated when an effort results in success , but as I said, it does require the effort, so that the brain (which is you) knows it has succeeded in accomplishing something .
What is Research?
Research is the process of collecting and analyzing information to increase our understanding of phenomena. This process of inquiry can be as simple as investigating through observation or as complex as experimenting to establish a cause-effect relationship for the events we investigate. Information derived from systematically accumulated observations and investigations can be organized into theories and laws about how the world operates. In taking research to practice, we translate these theories and laws into programs and treatments.
I ran across this link in researching your questions and kinda captures what I am trying to convey. See if it can help you deal with your current situation.
As a boy my first Eureka moment came when I read about the Doppler effect in one of my dad’s books on Einstein. I tested this natural phenomenon by standing at the roadside and listening to the sound of a motorcycle approaching, passing, and receding into the distance.
Observing the change in pitch engine sound as the motorcycle passed, confirmed the science of the “Doppler effect”, as well as the implied concept of Relativity depending on the POV (point of view) of the observer.
This discovery of a fundamental natural law made the hair on my neck stand up and I knew I had discovered something important. From that moment on I was able to understand why different people experience reality just a little differently due to Relativity from POV of the observer.
I have tried thinking about it but the end result is some form of determinism and no free will.
So the people who say they can’t make you feel numb and afraid, are making you feel numb and afraid. According to you, it’s because you don’t know how to argue with them. If they are right, then it’s you creating that worry, because they say you choose your feelings. If they are wrong, your arguments won’t make sense to them, their feelings are created by their environment and they don’t want to hear that.
Either way, arguing with them will change nothing. If you agree with them, then choose to feel happy like they say. If you don’t agree, or if you feel uncertain, find some other way to learn about emotions because these guys don’t get it.
And why would you find that disconcerting?
Determinism does not prevent you from making choices.
I think this is a very profound statement by a scientist:
“We don’t control anything, but we influence everything” (BrianKlaas)
And I like that truth, because if we could control everything the result would be total chaos.
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All minds are different. No one reacts exactly the same to the same circumstances. Obviously there are similarities, it helps us navigate a dangerous world. The aspergers mind is very different from yours @Write4U. The things that inspire you may not inspire them.
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I see the artistry, but not the mathematical anything. It’s beautiful and I don’t see why we need to ruin it by busting our brains with the math. Just enjoy it.
Asperger brains and brains with dyscalculia are very different from others. In fact, everyone’s brain is different from another.
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Yes, but IMO, the joy you experience is the brain’s cognition and mental ability to visualize the maths as objects. And this does not involve the mathematical equations themselves, but the brain’s cognition of the object’s regularities.
This is how the brain understands and experiences gross reality which is composed of mathematical patterns at fine scales. An atom is a mathematical object and can be measured by the number and quantum orbits of electrons orbiting the nucleus.
Each orbital in an atom is characterized by a set of values of the three quantum numbers n, ℓ, and ml , which respectively correspond to the electron’s energy, its orbital angular momentum, and its orbital angular momentum projected along a chosen axis (magnetic quantum number).
Atomic orbitals of the electron in a hydrogen atom at different energy levels. The probability of finding the electron is given by the color, as shown in the key at upper right.
more… Atomic orbital - Wikipedia
Note the symbolized values of the mathematical patterns of the “quantum numbers”
Why do paintings that use a vanishing point at the horizon? It provides a mathematical reference point, from which we experience our different realities.
I agree and submit that all brains are different to a degree. It often depends on the sensory acuity and referential circumstances the sensory information was initially experienced.
Isn’t a weakness in one area of thought often compensated by excellence in another area, such as music, which of course also possesses mathematical properties in a different context?
This is also why we can experience the feeling of having been somewhere we have never visited before.
What Causes Déjà vu?
Déjà vu describes that uncanny sensation you’ve already experienced something, even when you know you never have. Experts generally agree this phenomenon probably relates to memory in some way. So, if you have déjà vu, you might have experienced a similar event before. You just can’t remember it. Mar 30, 2020
It is the general mathematical properties of the object that are stored as coded memory, in a way very similar to a computer’s HD
Nature likes mathematical objects and regularities. They are a result of natural selection for durability and structural integrity as can be translated and expressed with human mathematical equations that identify and symbolize the external properties of that object. The Platonic solids. The “laws” of nature.
This is how I understand Max Tegmark, and AFAIK it is the only way to describe the properties, values, and interactions in nature because that is how it actually works in accordance with generic natural maths, the naturally self-organization of mathematical patterns, such as the Platonic solids
The 5 Platonic Solids have unique mathematical properties, such as their relationship between the number of vertices, edges, and faces, as well as symmetries and interesting geometric properties that have made them the subject of study in various fields. Mar 7, 2023
The Platonic Solids Explained — Mashup Math
Humans did not invent the Fibonacci Sequence, we discovered it and codified it as an evolved result of growth in some dynamical systems.
Interesting stream of consciousness there. I doubt it will be helpful to the thread. I enjoy pure math, the study of it just for the sake of it, but that enjoyment stems from other thoughts and reasoning. It’s not the same kind of joy I feel from a chocolate ice cream cone on a hot day.
“Eureka” is the feeling that makes you get a chocolate ice cream to celebrate… 
I…am not sure how to proceed on this one.
I talked with the guy today and he tried to help me with some thing regarding energy and where the emotions were at and visualization and stuff. It didn’t really do anything but I gave it a shot. At some points I felt like I was being led to a conclusion and like he was trying to fit what I was saying into his box.
Like asking who is the me that feels this way, I didn’t really get a lot of it. At the end we finished with him telling me the opposite of what the lesson said, that something makes us feel something. That when I said “nothing makes me feel anything” that it’s not logical because nothing can make you feel anything. Though I can’t help but feel like that is being obtuse, as even I on the spectrum know what I mean when I said “nothing makes me feel anything” as in not one thing. I didn’t actually mean nothing. They also thought I meant no body sensations by that too on the forum.
Like…I’m sorry…but people can’t be that dumb right?
I remember being diagnosed with disgraphia, which if you saw me write would be accurate.
But that said all I really know is that I’m different. Though to be honest being on the spectrum was always a sore point for me. I didn’t want to be seen as the special kid and looked on with pity, and I see that a lot towards me in my life. I also always felt like a burden to my family because of how hard it was to deal with raising me and how I am around others. It’s always felt like something I had to compensate for being either being nice, funny, having a special talent, anything to make up for that deficit.
It’s also why I sabotage relationships, I fear that if I were to get close to someone I’d just drag them down with my issues and hardships on the spectrum.
Umm, yes they can, especially if they can make money off of even dumber people.
I would trust your instinct on that one.
The long list of questions you had yesterday sounded like what neuroscience is studying. It’s complicated stuff. Unless you’re going for a degree in that, it shouldn’t be surprising that you’re having trouble grasping it.
Well, keep thinking about it. See if it goes anywhere.
A lot of people have similar feelings. Relationships are hard.