I’ll just leave this here.
Early humans domesticated themselves, new genetic evidence suggests | Science | AAAS
You do know it says, “Let us make man in our own image…” This signifies more than one deity and in early Judaism, they were polytheistic. Thus, in Hebrew, it does signify that Genesis mention a polytheistic religion, but Xianity discards that and insists, something like my relatives said, “Oh they meant God and the angels”. No, even if you were take a religious course at a legit college, you’d find it is referencing a polytheistic society in Genesis. The early Hebrews were polytheistic and there are ancient relics that point to this also. The Hebrew gods have spoken. lol
Yes first Hebrews were polytheists, then they switched to monolatry ( many gods, only one worshipped), then during the exile time to monotheism .
The idea is that their exile was seen as a punition of god. their god could not be weaker than the Babylonian god. It implies that there was only one god, who used the Babylonians to punish them.
About the female companion of Yahweh during the monolatric period :
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Another exemple of analysis
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Yes, I was just talking about Genesis, as the poster originally mentioned.
That’s simply false. They can claim our ancestors were smarter but they’d be wrong, because they don’t have what we do at our disposal. It’s an old trope that holds no water.
Savants don’t prove anything. They are good at the one thing and usually bad at anything else, that’s not what I would call a good trade off.
The holy grail is just a myth. Honestly the post was mostly just hot air.
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That’s called Pantheism. I read a funny thing once where someone said pantheists are just atheists who aren’t autistic, or something along those lines.
Atheists definitely stand out from the crowd personality-wise.
Math is the just the “language” of nature, but it does not explain itself.
It’s the language of humans. Humans use it to understand some things, just as they use language to communicate.
Agreed. The Hebrews only controlled themselves for less than 200 years. So, their religion had a lot of ups and downs. It’s biggest popularity as we know it today actually came after Pauline Christianity became popular in the fourth century.
To me, Genesis is what lays the groundwork for a religion based upon a lost religion that is the Holly Grail of most religions we know today.
As an atheist I see a big puzzle with a lot of missing pieces that are coming together at a faster pace as more researchers enter the field with tools like DNA.
As the research moves forward to understanding the roots of mankind. It needs to match the roots and timelines of domesticated items like olives, chickens, grains, and other animals.
Some problems researchers must work on. Bottlenecks is just one problem.
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813,000 years ago. modern humans. 1,280 breeding individuals.
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120,000 years ago. DNA & interglacial period. 1,300 humans.
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80,000 years ago. The oldest known Adam burial.
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70,000-75,000 years ago. Toba 3k-10k. Garden of Eden hypothesis.
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50,000-60,000 years ago. between 1,000 and 10,000 individuals.
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12,400 years ago. Domesticated Adam. Domesticated chickens.
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12,000 years ago. Boncuklu Tarla structures in Turkey.
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11,500 years ago. Start of new interglacial period.
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7,600 years ago. Black Sea connected to Mediterranean Sea.
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4,000-6,000 years ago. Burckle Tsunami. Killed a quarter of the world’s population is still being worked upon.
Religion is a subject for atheists.
Throw Traditional Religions out of the bible and Genesis is what you got to work with. Of course you have to use tacit knowledge in understanding what you are reading as there is no explicit knowledge surviving today on the subject.
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There isn’t really a reason to trust your assessment on any of these, none of them are problems.
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DNA existed in living organisms long before modern humans.
4 billion years ago?
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What I was talking about was the human bottlenecks. Example estimates of pre-Columbian populations for the Amazon Basin have ranged from 500,000 to 10 million (Comas 1951, Moran 1974). If it did, it is possible that it had religion. Multiple mid-range estimates from 6.8 to 8 million people have been proposed (Denevan 1970, 1992, Clement et al.
We do have a mix of Sky and Adam burials in the area.
If they had a large population, then religion of some type is quite possible. Then that population gets wiped out to a very small population. The past knowledge is lost, and the religions are most likely not the same anymore.
Point being. There are several of these bottlenecks that could have affected how people looked at Gods in the past. Some Hindu religions claim 300K on the timeline.
That doesn’t mean anything.
Also no such thing as sky or adam burials.
Yes, that’s why there have been some 3000 gods throughout history.
But there is evidence that the concept of an unseen, but powerful sky-being was already present in the common hominid ancestor of the Modern apes…
Chimpanzees have been observed in ritualistic behavior in the presence of unexplained natural phenomena, such as thunder and lightning.
There have been about 200 thunder gods in history in different parts of the world.
Mike tends to take things and assign his own language to them, then come up with entire histories rooted in his own ideas of what might have been.
Other people do research. I can’t tell where Mike gets his ideas, but it could be something like this
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16930
You are right. Try and match domestication to timelines. They don’t match. And we have found seeds going back to prehistory and they are not the beginning seeds. For example, wheat. DNA cannot match wheat to the original grass with DNA because wheat has its own DNA now. If we can find an early wheat seed we can match it the grass. It is estimated it would take at least 40K to domesticate wheat.
Darwin took domestication back to the pre-domesticate animals. But where is the Age of Domestication? Science keep kicking it around. But are afraid to connect the dots. On this site a decade ago, man was out of Africa 40K ago. Today it is over 300K. We are making progress.
Go home Mike. It’s late. You’re tired