You apparently are an Atheist and that is fine. I too reject religions. About the mathematical argument, humans existed for hundreds of thousands of years before mathematics
That is true, from the human perspective. However, the universel mathematical functions have always existed.
Human mathematics is just the symbolization of the functions.
However, the universel mathematical functions have always existed.
Human mathematics is just the symbolization of the functions.
W4U, the notion that humans use universal mathematical functions that have always existed seems a bit arrogant, must be something a human said.
Paraphrasing a previous post you asked what my argument is to theists.
I rarely argue with theists because I don't want to add credibility to their argument with a counter argument. I may ask a theist who is looking for an argument relentlessly if they believe the Earth is 6-10 thousand years old. I will state my belief that the Earth is more than 4 billion years old. I will ask the theist how they can believe Biblical time frames with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and ignore evolutionary time frames with abundance of evidence and abundance of corroborating evidence of evidence and then close the subject.
A theist once asked me why the biblical story of creation diverges so much from the scientific creation account.
My response was that one of god's days might well be 3 billion years, beccause the solar based 24 hr day did not yet exist and the length of one of god's days was unknown.
The person was surprised and delighted with this viewpoint and told me that she had never considered this possibility.
All in all, it was a very productive exchange. I did not insult her god, yet was able to establish a common understanding with a creationist theist.
As to universal mathematics being discovered through the observation of regular patterns, ALL things in the universe follow mathematical natural laws.
Read Max Tegmark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOtAFiI39_I