I clicked a link on the page above, where I got the 15% immigrant population figure. I think this graph below is the issue people have. They want those European immigrants, not the ones from the Americas.
The difference is Natives had no choice. They were overpowered and they had to accept Whites were taking over.
We do have a choice. Nobody is forcing Whites to bring Haitians to Ohio. The truth is Whites have no one to blame for this mess but ourselves, ironically. Our leaders want an endless supply of cheap labor – and a reliable voting block, and don’t care how disruptive it is to society.
We don’t always have to be a “nation of immigrants”. That argument is flimsy because it can easily be taken to a ridiculous extreme. Every country in the world is a nation of immigrants if you go back far enough.
Native Americans were immigrants from what is now Asia 10,000 years ago. Prehistoric Greece was settled by immigrants from what is now Russia and what is now Turkey. And those regions were settled by peoples from somewhere else.
Eventually though, borders and identities form and they have to be respected.
We can help others without bringing millions of them in.
And our policies didn’t turn Latin America into what it is. It was chaotic long before we started messing around there.
Interesting how you now admit that Europeans (AKA white people) are the aggressors back then as they are now and as you are suggesting them to be. I personally do not see what the big deal is concerning immigration. Who says they have to be “cheap labour”? Why can they be paid as much as anyone else? Why can’t they be treated as equal as any other human? Guess that’s too much for racists to handle.
If the U.S. is a melting pot, then what is our identity? I’m lost as to what that means? We aren’t German or British and even that is a stretch because they all have a population similar to ours. There is no reason to close the borders, IMO. Lo siento, pero no hay problema, en mi opinión. The only problem I see is Wasi’chus: Wasichu
It’s just history. Sometimes I wonder what schools you went to
That is a ridiculous extreme. Obviously were talking about recent centuries when average people could cross oceans and use roads that cover continents.
Americans are seen as a distinct people around the world, but this country is too big and too diverse to have a uniform identity that works for everybody.
I’ve never had a problem admitting that Europeans were foreign invaders to this continent. I personally don’t feel guilty about being descended from the victors. It’s way better than being on the other side.
As for why immigrants have to be cheap labor – I don’t know, but it’s not unique to us. The same thing happens around the world. There’s something in human nature that takes advantage of desperate people.
You’ve shot yourself in the foot so many times here, I don’t know how you are walking.
From the Guardian article (this is what I’m saying):
The overriding lesson ancient DNA teaches is that the population in any one place has changed dramatically many times since the great human post-ice age expansion, and that recognition of the essentially mongrel nature of humanity should override any notion of some mystical, longstanding connection between people and place. We are all, to use Theresa May’s derisive label, “citizens of nowhere”. The Beaker people replaced 90% of the population of Britain around 4,500 years ago. Related to this is the knowledge that all life, from its beginnings, has been an essentially improvisatory, impure process. As Reich puts it: “Ideologies that seek a return to a mythical purity are flying in the face of hard science.”
There is also something in human nature that sees the goodness in every other human, cooperates with them, and knows that everyone has something to offer.
First of all, in the topic at hand, there are Haitians in non-labor positions in Springfield Ohio. Second, just like it has happened for 200 years, people come here and improve themselves. There is more competition for good post-secondary education around the world than there used to be, but we are still near the top for that. Immigrants from the turn of the century improved their lot within a couple of decades and most of them had children that did even better, and that tradition has continued. Isn’t that the kind of self-improvement that we promote throughout the world?
It’s not always that the people are “desperate”. Even within the states, you might have to recertify when you move. I met a guy from Iran who moved here because of the war there. He was a professor, but you can’t just jump into a university position, so he took janitor work.
I just don’t get the guy. No one asked him to feel guilty. I don’t welcome strangers into my home out of guilt or obligation. It’s just the right thing to do. It’s good for me. It’s good for everyone. He puts up articles about how it’s been the way of the world for 10,000 years but for some reason, we shouldn’t increase the US population by a fraction of a percent with immigrants.
I don’t understand how anything he uses as evidence says there are, or should be, “sides”. Making it a game of who gets to live where makes it so someone can lose. Because his ancestors were able to move freely, he thinks he should win, but again, no evidence for that, no reasoning for that. Worse than anything, by making it a fight, he loses, unless he owns the factories and the prime real estate, and can buy senators and change laws by donating a small portion of his wealth, he’s only a few paychecks away from being in the same boat as those “others”.
Lebensraum is a German concept of expansionism and Völkisch nationalism, the philosophy and policies of which were common to German politics from the 1890s to the 1940s. Wikipedia
I don’t think it’s anything like that. The people who hate immigrants are lazy. They aren’t going to fight any wars. They aren’t going to carry out any of the deportation work that Trump is talking about. They are going to call a cop or write their congressman or complain at their city council and then get mad when they are fact-checked.
But they will vote to keep the “alien invaders” out and that is all a wannabe Hitler needs to establish a “Völkisch nationalism” dictatorship.
Those words have been spoken, REMEMBER???
I don’t know what you’re talking about. The point is, you’re not going to get a military like anything Hitler had. Look how easily Afghanistan harrased us. You’re not going get all the generals behind a plan to expand our territory. There weren’t nukes then either.
The best Trump can do is increase the power of the oligarchy, which is really bad. He will do it by creating division and making the lives of working people miserable so they can’t fight back.
I am not talking about expansion, but forcible reduction as Trump has promised.
It doesn’t take a lot of power to control a nation, if you are willing to use that power.
All dictators rule by killing their rivals. History is rife with examples.
How Do Dictators Eliminate Their Opponents?
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Dictators, driven by a relentless pursuit of power and control, frequently resort to a variety of tactics to eliminate their opponents throughout history.
These tactics are often brutal and inhumane, and violate fundamental principles of human rights and democracy, often leading to significant human suffering and widely condemnation by the international community
Trump has promised deportations on an unprecedented scale
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The idea of deporting millions of undocumented immigrants gained traction during the RNC. Speakers talked about how a second Trump administration will carry out the “largest deportation in history.”