Donald Trump outscores Adolf Hitler on a test used to determine psychopathic traits, while Hillary Clinton ranks between Napoleon and Nero, a researcher at Oxford University has found. Psychologist Dr Kevin Dutton ranked the psychopathic traits of the US presidential hopefuls and historical figures using a standard psychometric tool – the Psychopathic Personality Inventory – Revised (PPI-R).
I didn’t want to start yet another Trump thread for this. Looking for where it might fit in, I came across this.
I think it’s a fit
Trump private security force 'playing with fire' - POLITICO http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-security-force-232797 All modern presidents and presidents-elect have entrusted their personal security entirely to the Secret Service, and their event security mostly to local law enforcement, according to presidential security experts and Secret Service sources. But Trump — who puts a premium on loyalty and has demonstrated great interest in having forceful security at his events — has opted to maintain an aggressive and unprecedented private security force, led by Keith Schiller, a retired New York City cop and Navy veteran who started working for Trump in 1999 as a part-time bodyguard, eventually rising to become his head of security. Security officials warn that employing private security personnel heightens risks for the president-elect and his team, as well as for protesters, dozens of whom have alleged racial profiling, undue force or aggression at the hands of Trump’s security, with at least 10 joining a trio of lawsuits now pending against Trump, his campaign or its security. ... And Schiller, a registered Republican, showed signs of reveling in Trump’s campaign, creating his own Twitter account just before the first primaries to promote the campaign and chronicle his unique perspective from the trail. He occasionally channeled his boss’ attacks on rivals like Ted Cruz (“Wow Lyin Ted is becoming unhinged! So sad...," he tweeted as Trump was clinching the GOP nomination over the Texas senator) and spread false claims about Democrats, including that 20 percent of Clinton’s campaign cash came from people who were responsible for the September 2001 terrorist attacks, that a grand jury had been convened to investigate her use of a private email server for State Department business and that Obama encouraged undocumented immigrants to vote illegally.
Another one for the road
The Problem With Trump’s Admiration of General “Old Blood and Guts" Patton
An undeniably a winner. The real trouble came after he won. By ARTHUR ALLEN December 26, 2016 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/trump-general-patton-admiration-214545 Given Trump’s evident admiration for generals and his reliance on them in his Cabinet, however, it’s worth considering the rest of Patton’s record. His success in wartime has, over the years, whitewashed the rest of his character. His views on race and America’s role in the world were retrograde even in the 1940s—and so forcefully articulated that it’s hard to understand why contemporary Americans have such an easy time admiring him. His life isn’t just an example of winning—it’s an object lesson in how hard it is to transfer skills from a ruthless campaign to the complex tasks of real governance. ...Interesting read. All incoming information paints a bleak picture, don't it. V, come on, let's see you put some good spin on some of this? Or at least share the positive constructive stuff I seem to be missing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/22/donald-trump-outscores-hitler-on-psychopathic-traits-test-claims/Psychopath Definition May Be Different Than You Thought: http://www.medicaldaily.com/psychopath-definition-may-be-different-you-thought-7-facts-about-psychopaths-361112 Interesting finding by Kevin Dutton (from the article posted by Doug): "Mr Trump outstripped Hitler on factors including social influence and fearlessness, while the Nazi dictator scored higher on Machiavellian egocentricity and cold-heartedness." And a lot of people probably would be surprised to learn that "Both great and terrible leaders score higher than the general population for psychopathic traits, but it is the mix of those traits that determines success."Donald Trump outscores Adolf Hitler on a test used to determine psychopathic traits, while Hillary Clinton ranks between Napoleon and Nero, a researcher at Oxford University has found. Psychologist Dr Kevin Dutton ranked the psychopathic traits of the US presidential hopefuls and historical figures using a standard psychometric tool – the Psychopathic Personality Inventory – Revised (PPI-R).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/22/donald-trump-outscores-hitler-on-psychopathic-traits-test-claims/Psychopath Definition May Be Different Than You Thought: http://www.medicaldaily.com/psychopath-definition-may-be-different-you-thought-7-facts-about-psychopaths-361112 Interesting finding by Kevin Dutton (from the article posted by Doug): "Mr Trump outstripped Hitler on factors including social influence and fearlessness, while the Nazi dictator scored higher on Machiavellian egocentricity and cold-heartedness." And a lot of people probably would be surprised to learn that "Both great and terrible leaders score higher than the general population for psychopathic traits, but it is the mix of those traits that determines success." CEOs score high on the psychopathic scale, as do cops and priests. LLDonald Trump outscores Adolf Hitler on a test used to determine psychopathic traits, while Hillary Clinton ranks between Napoleon and Nero, a researcher at Oxford University has found. Psychologist Dr Kevin Dutton ranked the psychopathic traits of the US presidential hopefuls and historical figures using a standard psychometric tool – the Psychopathic Personality Inventory – Revised (PPI-R).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/22/donald-trump-outscores-hitler-on-psychopathic-traits-test-claims/Long ago in college we had a class that looked at how shrinks compared Hitler to Stalin and the conclusion was they both had "issues" to put it politely. Me wonders where Trump would fit in on such a comparison.Donald Trump outscores Adolf Hitler on a test used to determine psychopathic traits, while Hillary Clinton ranks between Napoleon and Nero, a researcher at Oxford University has found. Psychologist Dr Kevin Dutton ranked the psychopathic traits of the US presidential hopefuls and historical figures using a standard psychometric tool – the Psychopathic Personality Inventory – Revised (PPI-R).
I hate these determinations of psychopathology. It’s like “not guilty by reason of insanity”. There was nothing wrong with Hitler mentally. He was a total Fascist/conservative ahole who acted upon his beliefs and caused great harm. By applying some mental health label it lets others with similar beliefs off the hook. “Ya I believe people XYZ should be eliminated just like Hitler but HE was a psychopath, therefore I’m not like him at all”. Wrong. Fascism/Conservatism is just flat out wrong whether it’s practiced by Hitler or a total moron like Drumpf.
Another one for the road The Problem With Trump’s Admiration of General “Old Blood and Guts" PattonThis kind of thing ran in the family. http://www.alternet.org/books/gang-rapes-and-beatings-brothels-filled-teenage-prostitutes-depths-american-brutality-vietnamAn undeniably a winner. The real trouble came after he won. By ARTHUR ALLEN December 26, 2016 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/trump-general-patton-admiration-214545 Given Trump’s evident admiration for generals and his reliance on them in his Cabinet, however, it’s worth considering the rest of Patton’s record. His success in wartime has, over the years, whitewashed the rest of his character. His views on race and America’s role in the world were retrograde even in the 1940s—and so forcefully articulated that it’s hard to understand why contemporary Americans have such an easy time admiring him. His life isn’t just an example of winning—it’s an object lesson in how hard it is to transfer skills from a ruthless campaign to the complex tasks of real governance. ...Interesting read. All incoming information paints a bleak picture, don't it. V, come on, let's see you put some good spin on some of this? Or at least share the positive constructive stuff I seem to be missing.
Among those whom Livingston counted in the 90 percent who regarded the Vietnamese as subhuman was his commander, General George S. Patton III. Son of the famed World War II general of the same name, the younger Patton was known for his bloodthirsty attitude and the macabre souvenirs that he kept, including a Vietnamese skull that sat on his desk. He even carried it around at his end-of- tour farewell party. Of course, Patton was just one of many Americans who collected and displayed Vietnamese body parts. Given how contemptuously living Vietnamese were often treated by U.S. forces, it is not surprising that Vietnamese corpses were also often handled with little respect.It's not surprising that a psychopath would admire Patton.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/22/donald-trump-outscores-hitler-on-psychopathic-traits-test-claims/Psychopath Definition May Be Different Than You Thought: http://www.medicaldaily.com/psychopath-definition-may-be-different-you-thought-7-facts-about-psychopaths-361112 Interesting finding by Kevin Dutton (from the article posted by Doug): "Mr Trump outstripped Hitler on factors including social influence and fearlessness, while the Nazi dictator scored higher on Machiavellian egocentricity and cold-heartedness." And a lot of people probably would be surprised to learn that "Both great and terrible leaders score higher than the general population for psychopathic traits, but it is the mix of those traits that determines success." And of course you left out the next paragraph.Donald Trump outscores Adolf Hitler on a test used to determine psychopathic traits, while Hillary Clinton ranks between Napoleon and Nero, a researcher at Oxford University has found. Psychologist Dr Kevin Dutton ranked the psychopathic traits of the US presidential hopefuls and historical figures using a standard psychometric tool – the Psychopathic Personality Inventory – Revised (PPI-R).
"For example, someone who scores highly for being influential, fearless and cold hearted could be a decisive leader who can make dispassionate decisions. If those traits are accompanied by a high score on blaming others, they might be a genocidal demagogue."I'm pretty sure that Trump scores very high on the blaming others index, just ask all the people he's maligned repeatedly over his life. Not only does he score higher than Hitler on the psychopath index he also shares traits that can easily lead to someone becoming a genocidal monster. And he's heading to the Oval Office next month.
I hate these determinations of psychopathology. It's like "not guilty by reason of insanity". There was nothing wrong with Hitler mentally. He was a total Fascist/conservative ahole who acted upon his beliefs and caused great harm. By applying some mental health label it lets others with similar beliefs off the hook. "Ya I believe people XYZ should be eliminated just like Hitler but HE was a psychopath, therefore I'm not like him at all". Wrong. Fascism/Conservatism is just flat out wrong whether it's practiced by Hitler or a total moron like Drumpf.Hitler clearly lacked any empathy, he bragged to his supporters that was what made him so powerful because he didn't hesitate to commit terrible acts in pursuit of his sociopathic policies. I'm pretty sure that means there was something fundamentally wrong with Hitler's mentality, just as there is with Trump. In both cases they can create whatever reality they chose to justify their profound lack of traits that make us human in the first place. Empathy being one of the most important. The fact that Trump had no issue at all with some piece of shit yelling "Kill Obama" during his acceptance speech says everything we need to know about this psychopath... as if everything that came before wasn't enough. https://www.bustle.com/articles/194247-someone-allegedly-yelled-kill-obama-during-donald-trumps-speech-which-is-terrifying
There were and still are many people who were absolutely devoted to Hitler just as there obviously are with Trump. In some cases it’s the same same people.
“Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!" That’s how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, which describes itself as “an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of European descent in the United States, and around the world."Yes that is the Nazi salute being given to Trump in Washington. How about Trump's chief of staff who is a well known jew hater... https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/13/white-nationalist-who-hates-jews-will-be-trumps-right-hand-man-white-house/214419
Bannon’s Breitbart News especially has come under fire for its rampant anti-Semitism. In May, contributor David Horowitz wrote a piece calling The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol a “renegade Jew." In September, Breitbart News writer Matthew Tyrmand called Washington Post columnist Anne Applebaum a “political revisionist" who was “on the warpath against the rising populist forces doing electoral damage to her establishment friends and allies across the world," adding, “hell hath no fury like a Polish, Jewish, American elitist scorned." In August, former Breitbart News writer Ben Shapiro accused the website of embracing “a movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism." Bannon’s anti-Semitism goes deeper than just Breitbart. As CNN’s Jake Tapper noted on Twitter after today’s announcement, Bannon’s ex-wife swore in court that “he said he doesn’t like Jews" and didn’t want his children to go to school with Jews. Indeed, Esquire politics contributor Charles Pierce even compared Bannon with David Duke There are also significant issues with how Bannon ran Breitbart News. Breitbart News staffers alleged that Trump -- with the cooperation of Bannon and other top management -- paid the website for favorable news coverage and to turn it into “his own fan website." Former spokesman Kurt Bardella told Media Matters that Bannon is a ““pathological liar who has a temperament that governs by bullying and intimidation and functions very much like a dictator at Breitbart."
Recently, Bannon has characterized the rise of Trump as part of a global nationalist movement, telling the radio show Breitbart News Daily on November 2, that “people want more control of their country. … They want sovereignty. It’s not just a thing that’s happening in any one geographic space." His website has promoted Trump-style far-right political parties across Europe. In the past week, Bannon has reached out to France’s right-wing Nationalist Front movement, and according to The Daily Beast, he is “right now the direct line between the European far-right and Donald J. Trump."
Less than a week after Trump’s electoral victory, many reporters still seem confused about just what will come from a Trump administration. If they want to know what Trump truly has in mind for the country, they need to look at Bannon and his bigoted website.If it salutes like a nazi and goosesteps like a nazi, then it's probably a fucking nazi...
I hate these determinations of psychopathology. It's like "not guilty by reason of insanity". There was nothing wrong with Hitler mentally. He was a total Fascist/conservative ahole who acted upon his beliefs and caused great harm. By applying some mental health label it lets others with similar beliefs off the hook. "Ya I believe people XYZ should be eliminated just like Hitler but HE was a psychopath, therefore I'm not like him at all". Wrong. Fascism/Conservatism is just flat out wrong whether it's practiced by Hitler or a total moron like Drumpf.Hitler clearly lacked any empathy, he bragged to his supporters that was what made him so powerful because he didn't hesitate to commit terrible acts in pursuit of his sociopathic policies. I'm pretty sure that means there was something fundamentally wrong with Hitler's mentality, just as there is with Trump. In both cases they can create whatever reality they chose to justify their profound lack of traits that make us human in the first place. Empathy being one of the most important. The fact that Trump had no issue at all with some piece of shit yelling "Kill Obama" during his acceptance speech says everything we need to know about this psychopath... as if everything that came before wasn't enough. https://www.bustle.com/articles/194247-someone-allegedly-yelled-kill-obama-during-donald-trumps-speech-which-is-terrifyingThe point you're missing is that it's not the person that is some kind of psychopath. Labeling an individual that way lets them off the hook. It's the ideology that's wrong, and anyone who follows it, whether it's Hitler, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney, etc. is wrong in the same way. Maybe this will describe it better: it's a psychopathological ideology.
The point you're missing is that it's not the person that is some kind of psychopath. Labeling an individual that way lets them off the hook. It's the ideology that's wrong, and anyone who follows it, whether it's Hitler, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney, etc. is wrong in the same way. Maybe this will describe it better: it's a psychopathological ideology.Ideologies don't exist separate from the people who hold them, they are created entirely by them. So yes, it is individuals that have psychopathic traits mostly centered around the complete lack of ability to feel empathy which makes it impossible for them to even conceive that other people have feelings much less the right to live. And it's a spectrum, which the article in the OP is referring to and Trump is on the extreme end of the psychopathic trait spectrum, even further than Hitler. He's incredibly dangerous because in his reality there is no such thing as other people, just pieces in a game to be manipulated or possibly eliminated if that is seen as a way to advance him in the game. Psychopaths may not be able to feel much of anything, but they do derive a great deal of satisfaction from playing games.
Trump also abuses the legal system, it’s not there for psychopaths to play with peoples lives.
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/17144/P15/
An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits. The sheer volume of lawsuits is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. No candidate of a major party has had anything approaching the number of Trump’s courtroom entanglements.
And despite his boasts on the campaign trail that he “never" settles lawsuits, for fear of encouraging more, he and his businesses have settled with plaintiffs in at least 100 cases reviewed by USA TODAY. Most involve people who say they were physically injured at Trump properties, with settlements that range as high as hundreds of thousands of dollars. Alan Garten, general counsel for the Trump Organization, said in an interview that the number and tenor of the court cases is the “cost of doing business" and on par with other companies of a similar size. "I think we have far less litigation of companies of our size," he said. However, even by those measures, the number of cases in which Trump is involved is extraordinary. For comparison, USA TODAY analyzed the legal involvement for five top real-estate business executives: Edward DeBartolo, shopping-center developer and former San Francisco 49ers owner; Donald Bren, Irvine Company chairman and owner; Stephen Ross, Time Warner Center developer; Sam Zell, Chicago real-estate magnate; and Larry Silverstein, a New York developer famous for his involvement in the World Trade Center properties. To maintain an apples-to-apples comparison, only actions that used the developers' names were included. The analysis found Trump has been involved in more legal skirmishes than all five of the others — combined.
The best defend of a crime is a vicious offense pretending other crimes happened.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-voter-fraud-huckabee-sanders-a9ad34a3fb31#.79t3mio98 Trump administration invents new story to support claims of massive voter fraud Sarah Huckabee Sanders told a completely fictional voter fraud story from her home state of Arkansas.And what are our good ol Democrats going to do about the Russian Obligate Trump's massive fraud of a campaign based on lies and slander, and a good deal of help from Russian, being enough to hoodwink our citizens and the grand American experiment. Are these dishonest transparent diversions going to be rewarded, or will we hold the GOP for they descent into the dark side of delusion and absolutism, that would be a breath away from totalitarianism.
The point you're missing is that it's not the person that is some kind of psychopath. Labeling an individual that way lets them off the hook. It's the ideology that's wrong, and anyone who follows it, whether it's Hitler, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney, etc. is wrong in the same way. Maybe this will describe it better: it's a psychopathological ideology.Ideologies don't exist separate from the people who hold them, they are created entirely by them. So yes, it is individuals that have psychopathic traits mostly centered around the complete lack of ability to feel empathy which makes it impossible for them to even conceive that other people have feelings much less the right to live. And it's a spectrum, which the article in the OP is referring to and Trump is on the extreme end of the psychopathic trait spectrum, even further than Hitler. He's incredibly dangerous because in his reality there is no such thing as other people, just pieces in a game to be manipulated or possibly eliminated if that is seen as a way to advance him in the game. Psychopaths may not be able to feel much of anything, but they do derive a great deal of satisfaction from playing games.Ideologies absolutely DO exist independent of people. If long into the future conservatism is practiced by no one, it'll still be a viable ideology, just with no practitioners. And if a practitioner comes along he might be good at it, might be bad at it. What I'm saying is conservatism itself is a pathological belief system regardless of whether the practitioners are good or bad at implementing it. And by focusing only on the individual, calling him psychopathic, we miss the real problem that it's the ideoology itself that's dysfunctional.
I saw a voter fraud headline for Michigan a while back. I didn’t bother saving it. The headline was something like “80 counties have more votes than people”. The details were, when a ballot reader malfunctions, you can reset it and send the ballot back through. In some cases, the reset button was not hit correctly, so the electronic vote tally was 1 or 2 above the number of votes actually cast. All this was caught before Dec 19, it was easily corrected by a hand count, and no intentional foul play was found.
I saw a voter fraud headline for Michigan a while back. I didn't bother saving it. The headline was something like "80 counties have more votes than people". The details were, when a ballot reader malfunctions, you can reset it and send the ballot back through. In some cases, the reset button was not hit correctly, so the electronic vote tally was 1 or 2 above the number of votes actually cast. All this was caught before Dec 19, it was easily corrected by a hand count, and no intentional foul play was found.
Fact check: No proof in story of mass voter fraud in Michigan Associated Press 8:37 a.m. ET Dec. 21, 2016 http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/21/no-proof-voter-fraud-michigan/95693264/ Report: No evidence of Michigan voter fraud Michael Gerstein, The Detroit News 3:48 p.m. ET Jan. 30, 2017 http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/30/michigan-election-analysis/97255846/