Does Man need for religion?

Religion and Secularism
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I think that’s hilarious in the context that Humvees are still being sold to people with more money than brains and no regard for the environment. Hope they break down often and expensively.
On the face of it they look OK for use in a dry country. I don’t suppose they’re armored at all? I thought they were a combination of a jeep and an APC. I suppose that’s what civilians were meant to think.

When I served (1968-70) I was in Malaysia mostly, where nobody was trying to kill me. We went into the jungle only on exercise. Never rode in an APC, never even saw one. We were sometimes transported in Hueys, which I loved. Helicopters are fun, and saved us weeks of walking through the hot, wet stinky jungle. I’m not convinced a Huey would be a good place to be if anyone on the ground say began throwing rocks at you. The vets I served with hated Hueys. I am NOT a vet . I served with a combat battalion as a medic, but joined on their return from Vietnam. Malaysia was considered a ‘holiday a posting’ ; families went with.


I guess humvees work fine as an SUV for civilians. The craze for them ended years ago so we don’t see them much on the streets of America. As a military vehicle it was pretty worthless.

Humvees are just a utility vehicle that was introduced to replace the old Jeep. They were not built with armor, but armor kits started being issued for them about a year or so into Iraq. In the beginning of the war we heard about guys rigging up pieces of scrap metal as makeshift armor. Those guys questioned Donald Rumsfeld about that later on and it was a big story because of Rumsfeld’s lame response.

The problem with the armor kit was that it made the vehicle too heavy, and it could not really handle all that weight. What really did it in though, was IEDs.

 

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IED stands for improvised explosive device.

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IED stands for improvised explosive device. So glad to hear humvees could deal with them.

Knew that one, and I thank what gods there be, they never entered my consciousness while I served. Height of the Vietnam War, I was told by the guys the Viet Cong were low tech with their booby traps , using what ever material they had. A lot of bamboo. Also mines designed to maim; they worked out that it took more manpower to deal with a wounded grunt than a dead one.

I can’t imagine the stress, then and now. A different kind of war, no defined front line. No idea if that woman or child approaching has a grenade, and Iraq/Afghanistan has the added horrors of the IED.

How widely used and how effective are kevlar vests/body armour?

The Aussie army looks after its men while they serve. Once discharged they become the responsibility of the Department of Veteran’s Affairs, an entirely different animal.

You say you’re doing OK. I hope so, I truly do.

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An aside; I’d like your opinion, if you don’t mind, not looking for a discussion or even a detailed response: What is your attitude towards the people you fought, in general and towards Muslims?

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Ooh the stress. Ooh the sacrifice. Ooh the hardship. Always from “our” end and never from the perspective of the others who homes and lands you invaded

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IED stands for improvised explosive device. So glad to hear humvees could deal with them.
No, they offered almost no protection against IEDs. That's why they were replaced.
 

Knew that one, and I thank what gods there be, they never entered my consciousness while I served. Height of the Vietnam War, I was told by the guys the Viet Cong were low tech with their booby traps , using what ever material they had. A lot of bamboo. Also mines designed to maim; they worked out that it took more manpower to deal with a wounded grunt than a dead one.


Exactly.

How widely used and how effective are kevlar vests/body armour?
Use was widespread and mandatory. It was effective against most small arms and shrapnel up to a point.
The Aussie army looks after its men while they serve. Once discharged they become the responsibility of the Department of Veteran’s Affairs, an entirely different animal.
It's the same here. The veterans administration or VA handles veterans benefits and medical treatment, though it is separate from the department of defense aka the military.

 

You say you’re doing OK. I hope so, I truly do.
Thank you. Life is pretty good
An aside; I’d like your opinion, if you don’t mind, not looking for a discussion or even a detailed response: What is your attitude towards the people you fought, in general and towards Muslims?
I hated the insurgents but they were doing what they had to do in one way or another.

As far as the people in general – I didn’t like Iraqis much…lets leave it at that. I thought Afghans were very odd people but some of them were really friendly and appreciative. They made outstanding bread and the country was really beautiful in some parts.

Muslims in general I have no problem with, but I don’t think middle eastern cultures can really mix with western cultures as they are fundamentally too different.

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@thtaoneguy

Thank you for your reply.

Your opinion is more far important to me than any armchair expert.

Your opinion of the locals seems similar to the opinions of Vietnam vets I’ve met. I worked as a medic, joining First Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, on their return from Vietnam. Met hundreds of vets, while their experiences were still fresh.

I’ll make one observation; it seemed to me that no one returned unaffected. It varied of course, from’a bit off centre’ to certifiable, and every variation between those extremes.

 

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“Muslims in general I have no problem with, but I don’t think middle eastern cultures can really mix with western cultures as they are fundamentally too different.”

Lots of muslims in USa and Australia say you are wrong

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Lots of muslims in USa and Australia say you are wrong
I don’t about Australia but in the US muslims are very self-contained and keep to themselves.
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“My son wrote this in response to Sara Sanders’ ridiculous claim.”

Seems the apple hasn’t fallen far from the tree. I gather a pre-adult child?

After reading about “freedom gas” nothing that shower do will surprise me.

 

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Thatoneguy: “I don’t about Australia but in the US muslims are very self-contained and keep to themselves.”

Muslims are no different from most people. It’s only the extremists we have to worry about. It’s the same with Christian extremists. They are pretty much equal in number,

Lois

 

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Muslims are no different from most people. It’s only the extremists we have to worry about. It’s the same with Christian extremists. They are pretty much equal in number,
In this case "muslim" refers to people of middle eastern decent and they are very different from westerners.

And fuckin lol at Christian extremists = muslim extremists.

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“And fuckin lol at Christian extremists = muslim extremists.”

christian zionists??

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“christian zionists??”

I suspect you meant at as a joke. On the face of it, does sound a bit silly. However, I think such creatures exist.

I’m thinking of The Seventh Day Adventists. I seem to remember part of their faith is built around the restoration of Israel.***

 

I just googled the term “Christian Zionist”:

"Christian Zionism (Hebrew: ציון‎ + -ism; cf. Isaiah 52:1 (Septuagint: ΝΒ:1): “Σιών […] Ἱερουσαλὴμ πόλις ἡ ἁγία”, romanized: “Ziṓn […] Ierousalḕm pólis hē hagía”, lit. ‘Zion […] Jerusalem, the holy city’) is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land and the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 were in accordance with Bible prophecy. The term began to be used in the mid-20th century, superseding Christian Restorationism.[1][2]

For most Christians the City of God (Psalm 46:4 (Septuagint: ΜΕ:5): “ἡ πόλις τοῦ Θεοῦ”, romanized: “hē pólis toũ theoũ”, lit. ‘the city of God’) has nothing to do with the Jewish immigration and the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but with the sack of Rome (410) and the teaching of Saint Augustine of Hippo, whose rejection of millenialism was adopted by the Council of Ephesus (431). That is why neither Eastern Orthodox Christians nor traditional Catholic Christians[3] did consider Zionism in any form:[4]"

 

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*** On millennial movements generally: “New Heaven New Earth” Kenhelm Burridge (1969)

 

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christian zionists are of the belief that the second coming will occur when the nation of Israel occupies all the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River ( ie all of Palestine). It is their belief that this will trigger the Rapture and end times as described in the Bible.

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“christian zionists are of the belief that the second coming will occur when the nation of Israel occupies all the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River ( ie all of Palestine). It is their belief that this will trigger the Rapture and end times as described in the Bible.”

That sounds right.

Jesus promised his disciples he would return"soon" , to usher in a new world order . His followers expected his return imminently, or at least in their lifetime. When that did not occur, new beliefs were invented. That has been the practice of millennial movements ever since.

Something Christians simply ignore or reject is the simple fact that according to Jewish prophecy, Jesus could not possibly have been the mashiach (messiah). There’s lots, but just three demolish Jesus as the Messiah: The messiah is to be a warrior priest in the tradition of David, he is NOT divine, and will not die young.

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these guys look forward to and pray for the destruction of our world. They are indeed the ultimate terrorists

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So do Christians.

A summary of Jesus’ words in Matthew 24 shows that the end times will involve the following:

wars and rumors of wars
nation rising against nation, and kingdom against kingdom
famines and earthquakes
false prophets coming in Jesus’ name
many people being deceived by false prophets
false prophets performing signs and wonders
persecution of true believers
people’s love of God decreasing
the gospel preached in the whole world
the “abomination of desolation” (a world leader who makes himself out to be God)
great tribulation
alterations in the sun, moon, stars
Jesus’ true followers gathered to Him
Jesus’ return
Jesus’ judgment of people on earth
Regarding the “rapture,” the event where Christ’s true followers are caught up to meet him in the air, some main texts for that are: Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27, 1Corinthians 15:51-52, 1Thessalonians 4:16-17, and 2Thessalonians 2:1-4.

Also, it should be pointed out how the last days will be characterized. We are told:

“There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.” (2Timothy 3:1-4)

The end times basically hinge on the return of Jesus Christ and His judgment of humanity and the world. Therefore, actually knowing him is the most important thing to understand about the end times.

There are many.Christians who pray for the rapture and the return of Jesus, which also means the end times. There isn’t all that much difference between Islam and Christianity.

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Patrick D.

Something Christians simply ignore or reject is the simple fact that according to Jewish prophecy, Jesus could not possibly have been the mashiach (messiah). There’s lots, but just three demolish Jesus as the Messiah: The messiah is to be a warrior priest in the tradition of David, he is NOT divine, and will not die young.

 

Lois: To each his own. There are countless belief systems that cover every idea imaginable. Take your choice.

 

 

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christian zionists are of the belief that the second coming will occur when the nation of Israel occupies all the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River ( ie all of Palestine). It is their belief that this will trigger the Rapture and end times as described in the Bible.

 

Lois

And many Christians wouldn’t mind hurrying it along, just as you claim Muslims do. I don’t see much difference between Christian or Islamic beliefs or terrorism. They’re both bizarre.

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is there an end times on the Koran?