Cloud mystery above Dominica. Hmmm.
This comes from another thread, one of those deep left field wingers meant to distract from the supposed discussion at hand.
That’s why I’m starting a new thread. Understanding clouds and understanding paleoclimate are two rather different topics, don’t you know.
Point being. In today’s news, this article by an atmospheric scientist about how the models can’t yet explain how clouds work. And yet I can find thousands of articles explaining how the clouds work. Yet this atmospheric scientist claims that “People have been guessing for years, but not everybody agrees". Meaning that the data for how clouds work needs to be established before the computer models can work.Right out the gate Mike misrepresents the article, it is not written by an atmospheric scientist, it's written by Georgia Frances King a Deputy Editor for the Ideas team at Quartz Media whoever they are?“Cloud physics could be the key to understanding climate change" qz.com/1034370/the-weather-in-dominica-isnt-as-it-appears-and-the-clouds-that-form-there-could-change-our-predictions-of-climate-change/
Georgia Frances King writes: But warm clouds sit below the freezing level, meaning there are no helpful ice crystals to help the fusion process along. “How warm clouds rain is a hot topic in cloud physics at the moment," Watson says, laughing. “People have been guessing for years, but not everybody agrees." The problem with warm clouds is that similarly sized water droplets bounce off each other instead of fusing together. So you need to create a whole bunch of different sized droplets in your cloud—called a cloud droplet spectrum— so the larger droplets absorb the smaller ones when they bump together. There are a few solid theories on how warm clouds generate this broad spectrum, most of which take up to three hours to gestate.Oh so the science hasn't actually been "guessing" game - that was just a cute expression a scientist used during a conversation with a reporter. Then a rereading makes clear that this scientific "guessing game" is about why the clouds behave so uniquely above Dominica. It may well have implication for general cloud modeling, but again, tiny impacts don't take away from the overall reality.
this article by an atmospheric scientist {NOT!} about how the models can’t yet explain how clouds work.Funny that, the first sentence in King's article reads:
It’s raining above Dominica, and cloud physics can’t quite explain why.The article is not about general atmospheric cloud physics, it's about a special case study of a freak situation that will to help better understand fine internal mechanisms. Scientists have been very clear in their understanding and in enunciating their uncertainties It's an area of intensive studies, but here is that example of contrarian's ignoring the 90% understanding in favor of bizarre crazy-making and sowing confusion rather than clarity.
Most people of knowledge understand that when people resort to name-calling they are propagandists who use this technique hoping people will reject ideas base on the negative remarks instead of looking at the evidence with logic.Labeling someone who deceives and misrepresents and lies, "a liar" - is not name-calling, it's a descriptive. Also we see here the hideous faith-blinded double standard. - A reading of Merchants of Doubt make clear that the forces of climate science contrarianism and denial is found on nothing but a string of vicious fabricated slander and libel at every step of the way. But back to the article - this is what it is about.
In Dominica, however, that process happens in 10 to 12 minutes. In the time it takes you to boil pasta, Dominica’s mountains can make a cloud, manufacture a large enough droplet spectrum that it begins to pour, and then quickly dissipate. “All of the current theories on warm clouds can’t explain how this process happens fast enough that you get rain falling so rapidly and heavily in Dominica," says Watson, who is now working with IBM Research their related business, The Weather Company. “When we look at the data, it throws it back at us. We’re trying to marry observations and modeling to understand a very complicated process." ... A surprising discovery by the team were tiny aerosols floating in the air above Dominica on windless days. Much like the spray from a can of hair spray, aerosols are so small they remain suspended in the air. Some aerosols are naturally occurring, like pollen, spores, smoke, sea salt, and dust, while others come from human activities, like the CFCs that were responsible for the ozone hole over Antarctica. The aerosols above Dominica were naturally occurring and appeared to dramatically affect the cloud droplet spectrum. Aerosols are important because they are a necessary ingredient for cloud formation.It promises to add a tiny increment of better understanding to cloud models - it offers nothing revolutionary one way or the other. It is a distraction - based on the reality that scientist will never have the absolute understanding so alway seek deeper knowledge - than the Faith-shackled mind demands and can't imagine living without.