You mean shit like cops killing people unnecessarily? Yeah that does happen. SO I suppose you think that since they have a “hard job” that they should be excused from murder? Do you also excuse the shit that always seems to happen when cops screw up an encounter — that the cops lie on the report and the system covers up the crimes that they commit and relieves them of responsibility for the shit that they did? Yeah, shit happens. Maybe some shit should start happening to criminal cops, the same way their shit happens to petty criminals or even non-criminal citizens that they shit on? And of course the cops will use the same system to protect themselves whether their victims are black or white. If the system works, it works. That doesn’t mean that they are not disposed to kill blacks more often per capita.Reread my post.
School shootings and general fear led to more police in schools. They didn’t have much to do, so they treated children like criminals.I doubt school resource officers have much to do with the students, though I imagine many parents feel their kid is being unfairly targeted in some way. My high school had a police presence which was barely noticeable.
So now we find out the latest one running away was on probation.
I was wondering why a man would flee the cops and leave his car behind. There must be more to the story.
I was wondering why a man would flee the cops and leave his car behind.Do you ever wonder why cops would shoot a guy when they have his car and his license? That seems to be the more relevant question. Unless we live in a world where cops just get to shoot people because they are on probation. That's not a capital crime last I checked though.
I doubt school resource officers have much to do with the students, -- oneguyThat just doesn't make sense. What are they there for? If you "barely noticed" your school's officer, it was probably because you weren't attracting his attention. But your personal experience doesn't explain the kids getting shuffled off to prison.
re read my post.I re-read it. And my response holds. "Shit" like cops killing whites and blacks does happen. And cops get away with these murderous "mistakes" or "shit" as you call it, because of a system that protects them and perpetuates the occurrence of such "shit". AND it happens MORE per capita with blacks. (Although we probably don't know the half of it because part of the systemic protection is effective cover-ups.)
Private police forces can be a good idea in some situations, but overall, it’s opening up a huge can of worms.I agree. I extend that thought to the use of privatized military.
I was wondering why a man would flee the cops and leave his car behind.He could not have gotten away by trying to do so with his car. That would have just made things even worse.
Once the cops decided to arrest him, his life as he knew it would be over. Being on probation he would be going back to prison regardless. He may have thought that on foot he could somehow get away or hide (and perhaps he could have were he not murdered) and lay low until they could not confirm that he was intoxicated (which would suggest that he had driven DWI). He apparently could not take the reality that he was going back to prison.
If he had been wealthy, he would likely never have done the crimes that got him in prison, or he would, at least, never have gone to prison in the first place. But he was not wealthy so his life was screwed. He reacted in desperation.
And he did not know that his remaining bit of life was even more screwed, in that he pissed off an armed man who would shoot him in the back, and then kick his body as he lay dying.
I agree. I extend that thought to the use of privatized military.YOU agree? You guys dump on the police and see them as a menace to society. You deserve CHAZes and CHOPs.
So now we find out the latest one running away was on probation.They always run away because the likely reason is they don't want to go back to prison. And the cops know that. Call it racism if you want, even chimps get wise to the game and can spot trouble on sight. If the police department had trained chimpanzees, instead of canines, and dispatch them like regular cops to respond to 9-1-1 calls, they will, without hesitation, get every suspect, dead or alive, in accordance with the rules of engagement.
I was wondering why a man would flee the cops and leave his car behind. There must be more to the story.Never mind the car, would you ever flee the cops? Chances are, there is no story motivating you to flee the cops ever. And even if you have one, you would just swear under your breath, resign yourself to the fact that the jig is up and you have to pay the piper. But there are people who just can't think like you, act like you to abide by the values of western civilization.
Never mind the car, would you ever flee the cops? Chances are, there is no story motivating you to flee the cops ever.When you say "you", you mean you other white people with no record who were raised by people who had advantages and passed them on to you. You mean the people who don't look like the people that cops harass, rough up and shoot for no good reason. "Being on probation" does not come with the death penalty. You don't get on probation if you are an immediate danger to society.
I dump on police who unnecessarily kill citizens or even shoot citizens the back or keep their knee and body weight on someone until they die or burst in on a citizens in the middle of the night and shoot them 8 times, killing them, or etc., etc., etc.
AND I dump on their policemen colleagues who are present and take part in lying on their report in order to cover up their crimes and mistakes.
And I dump on the system of Unions and local criminal injustice systems that ALSO help the coverups of police misconduct and crimes against citizens. This keeps the criminal police on the job. And the system of above-the-law policing thusly continues.
AND this system continues with the help of citizens who blame the victims and glorify the very police and others who find ways to blame the victims of police abuse.
I think that there probably ARE a few “good apples” in police departments, but they are overwhelmed by a corrupt system. Let’s help those guys out, and make changes now, while it may actually, now, be possible to root out the code of silence and complicity that keeps killer cops protected.
TimB: I agree. I extend that thought to the use of privatized military.Sree: YOU agree? You guys dump on the police and see them as a menace to society. You deserve CHAZes and CHOPs.
I was agreeing with oneguy about the ill-advisement of using privatized cops. I don’t know why oneguy and I deserve CHAZes and CHOPs, and idk what those are. We were not dumping on the police (tho I do in other posts, dump on criminal police).
He Who Is Not Worth His Name does not comprehend what Black Lives Matter is about or is too stupid to figure out what it is about nor does he comprehend Juneteenth, because if he did, he wouldn’t be saying stupid stuff like this:
“Let me just say that what happened to George Floyd was a tragedy,” he said, referring to the unarmed black man whose death in police custody last month sparked a wave of protests against racial injustice and police brutality nationwide.“And in this nation, especially on Juneteenth, we celebrate the fact that from the founding of this nation we’ve cherished the ideal that all, all of us are created equal, and endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. And so all lives matter in a very real sense.”
Saying “all lives matter” in relationship to Juneteenth, shows a total lack of understanding concerning racial tension and inequality. He’s not allowed to claim Juneteenth like he did.
I can’t believe that the righties are still replying to “Black Lives Matter” with “All Lives Matter”.
Have we not collectively established that; that would be like replying to “My Feet Hurt!” with
“Everyone’s Feet Hurt!”…?
I was agreeing with oneguy about the ill-advisement of using privatized cops.If you don't want regular cops (i.e. traditional American-style law enforcement), then chuck it or buy your own form of protection. The cop on the beat today operates on the ethos of the US Cavalry protecting settlers, and federal marshals supporting local sheriffs in enforcing law and order to defend law-abiding folks against the bad guys.
I don’t know why oneguy and I deserve CHAZes and CHOPs, and idk what those are. We were not dumping on the police (tho I do in other posts, dump on criminal police).Criminal police do not exist in an ideal America based on the principle of presumed innocence. You dump on this ideal and principle when you defend suspects and attack cops without due process because you believe the process is crooked. This is the mindset, not of the anarchist but the insane.
CHAZes and CHOPs are city blocks of private property, belonging to US citizens, taken over by the dysfunctional. The US Department of Justice needs to deal with this as they did at Ruby Ridge.
This is the mindset, not of the anarchist but the insane. --SreeAccusing people of having a "mindset" is one of the last vestiges of the desperate, the ones who ran of facts and logic a long time ago.
Haven’t you heard, Sree, that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? We don’t live in your idealized romanticized old west days, or in a modern America where cops never commit crimes.
Your argument that the criminal cops should never be considered criminals because they must have due process, doesn’t work, because the “due process” typically afforded to cops is the faulty systemic injustice that is being confronted today, by the Black Lives Matter movement.
Cops typically have “due process” FAR FAR beyond that of any regular citizen accused of a crime. Cops are most generally able to easily evade any possible prosecution exactly because they are protected by a “due process” system (and by the wall of silence and complicity by other cops) that makes them virtually immune to prosecution, without the involvement of incontrovertible outside evidence.
Accusing people of having a “mindset” is one of the last vestiges of the desperate, the ones who ran of facts and logic a long time ago.Accusing people of having a mindset? It's akin to accusing people of having two arms and two legs. Let's look at what "mindset" means to supposedly sane people:
"Your mindset is your collection of thoughts and beliefs that shape your thought habits. And your thought habits affect how you think, what you feel, and what you do. …(Wikipedia).
Is a “mindset” similar to or the same as a “mindscape”?
An inquiring mind wants to know.