I expect the moderator to remove and ban any poster from this forum if they deny this genocide just as they would ban people who deny the holocaust with their disgusting hate speech and in being an apologist for genocide
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Genocide is a fact.
And freedom of speech is a right, as long as you are not trolling.
Thank you
I would be flabbergasted if Holocaust deniers were allowed speech on this forum
In France and in most European countries, to deny the genocide against the Jewish is penally punishable.
For once, i agree with you.
From the guidelines in FAQ
The CFI Forum is open to anyone willing to abide by the Forum Rules. We welcome reasoned discussion, debate, and disagreement, so long as it is in an objective spirit of inquiry and does not become disruptive as described below in the sections on problem threads, posts, and members.
Moderators aren’t tasked with changing minds, or with censoring. It’s always about how views are presented. We have had discussions about Israel, and genocides. Use the search.
Commonly, people who take the side of murderers are not eloquent or reasonable, so they do get banned. But they are banned for how they post, not their viewpoints.
Personally, I find engaging a difficult topic goes better when there are people who seriously take a stand that I’m opposed to. If I can’t engage without using illogical tactics then maybe I need to question my foundations.
In this case, like last night on the news, there are images of children dying on the floor of a hospital, and my emotions run high. Also in this case, no matter how much I objectively examine the history and facts, I find the current situation just plain wrong.
How does a neo nazi post his viewpoints the right way? How do you express pro genocide view points on a forum that says it promotes humanism . The moderator has hung himself here and is clearly not fit for purpose. No need to demand sending this to complaints thread for the police to investigate the police type set up.
They could say they voted for Trump.
Saying Exterminate the jews together with saying voted for trump is what this moderator says is the right way to avoid being banned from this forum.
I didn’t say that. I said there aren’t forbidden topics. There are specific words that I’m sure I would agree with you, that should be banned. “Holocaust denier” is not the same as “exterminate Jews”.
Here’s a thread where Nazis were discussed.
The premise was a neo nazi spouting their views on this forum . You indicate you would allow depending on how they go about it. What is this right way in sharing pro genocide and pro or denier of the holocaust views on this forum as you have indicated?
You keep changing the words you use on your question, then saying I responded to the new language. You can clarify what you meant, but don’t tell me I said something that I didn’t say.
Here’s another thread about when violence is justified.
We did have an actual Holocaust denier, but it was years ago. They didn’t really defend Nazis, more like tried to argue facts about the concentration camps and other evidence.
Will you ban posters who express views that support the holocaust? Simple yes no question
No.
That’s not a yes/no question since it’s coming from you. Your past behavior has been to change the meaning of your question so that you interpret my answer to mean something it doesn’t. The question asks about expressing views, something that causes no harm and is a fundamental right. If someone was consistently linking to websites with false data, advertisements, and recruiting, and did not respond to warnings and was not engaging in discussion, then yes, they would be banned.
What you are looking for is a safe space. There are lots of them on the internet. Sometimes they are called “echo chambers”. Places where everyone thinks the same, and if someone says something outside of the accepted speech, they are shamed, berated, and banned.
I don’t speak for CFI, and frankly, I’m not sure if any staff ever looks at this forum to see what I’m doing. When members have complained about me, staff has supported me and my decisions. Same goes for the other moderators. So, my understanding of CFI’s role is that it promotes fact-based discussion.
Fact is, there are genocides in this world. I’m shocked that a nuclear power that claims a faith tradition as its foundation is committing one. Worse, my own country has leaders supporting it and many more leaders too weak to do anything about it. If I could “cancel” Netanyahu, I would. If deleting an anonymous forum account made a difference, I would do it.
What I do think would make a difference is reasonable dialogue. Granted, the statistics for this forum aren’t great, so not much of a difference can be made here, but that could be a temporary situation. Anyway, I can see a bit of a paradox that you might be experiencing. Israel is being completely unreasonable, so what is the point in attempting dialogue? Part of the answer is those weapons. If we don’t try dialogue, what is the alternative? The other is that there should always be places like this. This forum is digital, but the tradition goes back to ancient Rome, a place where opposing views can be aired and heard without the threat of violence or retribution.
I know that European and American people see the matter differently.
In USA, freedom of expression is the main rule, whatever you are saying.
In most European country to deny the genocide against the Jews constitutes a misdemeanor, and the people who express these views are condemned by Justice.
The draw of the USA view is that to sow fake news and express racist ideas is much easier. And, as it is much more easy to tell untruths that to correct them, and as the correction is much less seen nd red, the negationist ideas prosper.
And that is a big point of conflict between Europe and Trump administration. Trump administration is putting pressure upon Europe to obtain it free expression of ideas.
Incidentally, another point of contention are the European rules protecting personal data, but that’s not the topic.
Honestly, i would really be upset if some one came here, denying the Nazi genocide against the Jews and if his posts were not moderated.
Now, I admit that if without denying the genocide, he would give facts, even false ones, there would be a grey zone.
There still need to be forums. It wouldn’t be my job to turn someone in. We aren’t “platforming” anything. If there was a law against letting me allow someone to post, I’d follow it, obviously.
This is not the first time someone has complained about the quality of posts here. In 2017, dougsmith was the senior moderator and gave this response. There is a decent critique from someone with experience a few posts below it in the thread.
“If someone was consistently linking to websites with false data, advertisements, and recruiting, and did not respond to warnings and was not engaging in discussion, then yes, they would be banned.
This is a red herring so i need you to lock in moderator. You allow Nazis and zionazis to cheerlead and spread their hate of jews and Palestinians respectively with the above conditions.
Wait till i spread this to every holocaust memorial organisation and antisemitic watchdogs that the moderator has declared CFI forum as a safe space for NAZIS to spew their ideological thoughts .
I don’t think you know what red herring means.
What I said is practically the definition of cheerleading, so, no, no cheerleading allowed.
I’d love to see the reaction you get from those organizations.
You did exactly what I described a few posts back
Here’s another thread along these lines.
You know there is a search feature? If you wanted to show me something specific instead of hypothetical.