Another example of someone blaming others for their own stupid decisions

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541485/See-terrifying-moment-extremely-intoxicated-woman-plunges-100-feet-sea-suing-cruise-company-encouraging-drunk-leaving-floating-hours.html
So this woman drank herself into a stupor, somehow managed to fall over a railing ( not easy to do ) into the ocean and is now suing the cruise line for getting her drunk.
She is an adult. She made choices. Nobody poured the alcohol down her throat. She did not just “slip” and go over the railing. She had to be doing something stupid for that to happen. She is lucky that a huge ocean liner under full steam was able to turn around, come back and find her in the dark. She should be kissing their feet for saving her life after a night of dumb decisions instead of suing them. Maybe the next cruise line will think twice before saving the life of a drunk guest who goes overboard.
Its easy to blame the Lawyers for these crazy law suits but if it wasn’t for human greed and the need to have someone to blame for our misfortunes as well as the lay people on the juries who hand out the awards the lawyers wouldn’t waste their time and effort bringing these cases. We ALL need to start putting the blame where it belongs and expect some degree of personal responsibility in ourselves and others.

Hey MacGiver, … used to love that show, by the way.
I certainly agree, too many people out there putting blame on others. And once it gets to the level of this cruise… well, that’s really way beyond. Kiss feet, don’t sue, dumbass. - Pretty pathetic.
On the other hand, I’m pretty pathetic myself at times. I wouldn’t sue people over my shit, as I know it’s my shit, but I do, subconsciously, harbor those feelings… as if others are responsible for my stupid decisions.
I’m a drunk. Pretty much. Not totally as I function well in society, but take the flowers away I just don’t wanna see it. - And I’m often angry, more at myself than at others, but it comes out in anger at others, for no reason on their part, and very destructive to any kind of relationship unless the people know you from decades ago, and know who you really are. Sad story, but never mind. - What I wanna say is, and what I need to understand and live myself, is a quote from Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a quote I keep forgetting, but it’s the best quote I ever read:
“Never look at a person in light of what they do or do not do; always look at a person in light of what they suffer.”
No idea what went through that ladies mind. I do know, if she’s a drunk, she had no control whatsoever. Sure, the decision to drink was hers, but drunks don’t make those decisions.
Her move to sue is about as dumb as it gets, unless she has no money and somehow tries to get her booze, but that’s what strikes me all the time… I love good stories, and I hate their twists.
I don’t disagree with you one bit, but I know myself, the things I rather wish I’m not capable of, but am… in Christian terms: I’m a sinner, but I don’t believe in that, I’m just human.
No disagreement with you, just my constant asking of myself and others of what could be done better.
Peace, my friend. - I hear a party outside so I gotta check it out.
Have a good night!

I’ve never been on a cruise ship, but I imagine those railings are probably tall enough that someone would have to climb on them to fall overboard. Looking at the photos of the cruise ship, it does seem the woman who fell off would have to climb the railings to see the side of the ship as the article quotes her. She got drunk and did something stupid. I agree. She should be grateful to be alive.

Crazy.
Dissected carotid artery and hypothermia? Damn, she is very lucky. Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was “pushing drinks” on her, that’s usually an indication the person is an alcoholic.

Crazy. Dissected carotid artery and hypothermia? Damn, she is very lucky. Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was "pushing drinks" on her, that's usually an indication the person is an alcoholic.
Even if the bartender was offering her free drinks.. shes an adult. No one opened her mouth and poured the drinks down her throat. She willingly went to the bar with her friends and of her own free will picked up the glass and drank. The whole purpose of being defined as an adult is that you are presumably mature enough to make decisions for yourself. If she is unable to do that then she should no longer be treated like an adult. She doesn't deserve the privilege of having a drivers license. She should not be allowed to legally drink, get married, have kids, buy a house or sign a contract. She wants it both ways. She wants to be treated like an adult but still have the right to blame others when she makes a dumb decision. Its interesting how she doesn't blame the freinds who were with her and "allowed" her to drink to excess. Then again the friends don't have deep pockets with which to pay her a nice big award.

I saw something about this on a television program last night. There was even a film clip of her going over (I don’t know who took the video, I believe they said another passenger), and it looks like she was climbing on the railing. They want the cruise line to install motion-activated cameras at every railing to make sure it doesn’t happen again!

I think the cruise line is missing a bet. It cost a great deal in turning the ship around, delaying the tours of all the other passengers, rescuing her, and treating her afterward. They seem to have a case for counter-suing her for a couple of hundred thousand for all the trouble she caused. :slight_smile:
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Crazy. Dissected carotid artery and hypothermia? Damn, she is very lucky. Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was "pushing drinks" on her, that's usually an indication the person is an alcoholic.
Really?

Bartenders are supposed to use good judgement in dispensing alcoholic beverages.
They have the legal right to refuse to serve a person when they deem them too inebriated.
Presumably the bartender was an employee of the cruise ship?
I can easily see this as a case of the bartender being completely out of line and serving the poor girl well beyond her
tolerance levels.
And of course, once she’s intoxicated her “good judgement” is legally impaired. It would be up to the bartender to make judgments.
We don’t know what happened on that ship.
I can tell you one thing, I’m sure that bartender is under scrutiny. It’s very possible he is responsible for this tragedy.
Bartenders have a huge responsibility-it’s quite possible this bartender abused his position.
These goddarned cruise ships are constantly being negligent.
They beach their ships on rocky shoals-causing capsizings and deaths, they run filthy operations that result in
Legionnaires Disease. They leave people behind on distant islands etc etc. I’m sure there’s loads of other examples.
Oh yeah, they run out of power in the middle of the ocean, leaving hundreds of people to live in squalor and disease and hunger.
They avoid legal scrutiny by registering their ships under the flags of nefarious countries.
This poor girl could easily…easily be a victim of negligence.

Lawsuits such as this poor girl’s are one of the best ways to regulate corporations.
Often times it’s just what’s needed to get a company back in proper “ship shape”.

I’m as impressed as hell that the cruise ship was even able to find her under those conditions. They deserve a medal!

Crazy. Dissected carotid artery and hypothermia? Damn, she is very lucky. Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was "pushing drinks" on her, that's usually an indication the person is an alcoholic.
Really?Definitely.
Crazy. Dissected carotid artery and hypothermia? Damn, she is very lucky. Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was "pushing drinks" on her, that's usually an indication the person is an alcoholic.
Really?Definitely. What an ignorant thing to say. That comment lacks any kind of merit and deserves zero consideration. Hollow mouthpiece.
I'm as impressed as hell that the cruise ship was even able to find her under those conditions. They deserve a medal!
They aren't going to get a medal Asanta. When a ship loses a passenger or crew member overboard- it's bad. People don't just fall off of big boats. They are either trying to commit suicide, or they are involved in an accident. I'm sure there are witnesses to the bartenders negligent dispensation of booze to a poor, unwitting girl who's a guest on a large boat that qualifies as unfamiliar and dangerous territory for her. Getting people drunk in unfamiliar, dangerous situations is irresponsible. A ships steward or medical officer should have been sent to escort her completely to a safe area for detox. A ship's Captain should never let crew members or passengers wander around willy-nilly, drunk off their asses. There's way too many dangerous conditions.
A ship's Captain should never let crew members or passengers wander around willy-nilly, drunk off their asses. There's way too many dangerous conditions.
That's why the passengers are there in the first place. They can do whatever the f*** they want.
Crazy. Dissected carotid artery and hypothermia? Damn, she is very lucky. Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was "pushing drinks" on her, that's usually an indication the person is an alcoholic.
Really?Definitely. What an ignorant thing to say. That comment lacks any kind of merit and deserves zero consideration. Hollow mouthpiece.From you, yes.....no consideration is necessary. People who know what they are talking about can consider it.
They aren't going to get a medal Asanta. When a ship loses a passenger or crew member overboard- it's bad. People don't just fall off of big boats. They are either trying to commit suicide, or they are involved in an accident. I'm sure there are witnesses to the bartenders negligent dispensation of booze to a poor, unwitting girl who's a guest on a large boat that qualifies as unfamiliar and dangerous territory for her. Getting people drunk in unfamiliar, dangerous situations is irresponsible. A ships steward or medical officer should have been sent to escort her completely to a safe area for detox. A ship's Captain should never let crew members or passengers wander around willy-nilly, drunk off their asses. There's way too many dangerous conditions.
This is exactly the sort of attitude that breeds these frivolous lawsuits and precisely the thing that caused me to title this thread the way I did. Absolutely NO ONE forced this woman to drink. She is an adult not a 10 year old child. She also had friends with her. People go on these cruises to have a good time and often drink excessively as part of the fun. Its not the bartenders duty to play mommy to the people he is selling drinks to while at the same time trying to do his job in a busy noisy atmosphere. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. She went there to drink and thats exactly what she did. Her friends who claim to be outraged, stood right next to her and watched her drink and participated in the activity and did nothing. She isn;'t suing them though. They are blaming the cruise ship company for two reasons only. She is embarrassed. It feels good to put the blame on someone other than yourself and not have to take responsibility for your own stupidity, and the cruise ship company has deep pockets which means there is a big potential payday. One other comment in regards to an earlier statement you made that she was too drunk to make a good decision. The law actually states that you are not absolved of responsibility for stupid decisions you make when you are drunk. If you drink and then kill someone you do not get a pass. Why should this person get a pass because the person she hurt when she was drunk was herself? I think its also a dishonest exaggeration that someone who is drunk cant make good decisions. Saying "I was drunk and didn't know any better" is a crutch. While alcohol reduces inhibitions it does NOT remove the ability to know right from wrong. Someone who is getting drunk knows perfectly well that drinking more will make them more drunk and also knows that getting drunk can result in loss of coordination and increases the chance of injury. No one forced her to drink. She made a bad decision. She knew exactly what she was doing and did it anyway. She then made another bad decision and did something dangerous causing her to fall off the ship. The only people who made good decisions here were the crew of the ship who turned the ship around and miraculously found a small person in a huge ocean and saved her life. Now the people who will be punished if they win this lawsuit are the ones who made good decisions and the one who will be rewarded is the one who made nothing but bad decisions. Rewarding this sort of behavior is why we have a society of people who no longer take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
Getting people drunk in unfamiliar, dangerous situations is irresponsible. A ships steward or medical officer should have been sent to escort her completely to a safe area for detox. A ship's Captain should never let crew members or passengers wander around willy-nilly, drunk off their asses. There's way too many dangerous conditions.
Some of these ships hold in excess of 3,500 passengers. Are you saying there need to be crew members walking around doing breathalyzer testing on each and every passenger and then then escorting them to a holding area to keep them under supervised detention for 8-10 hours until they sober up? To meet your goal that is exactly what they would have to do. Its ridiculous to expect a bartender to be able to tell who is dangerously intoxicated in a noisy cub full of people who are drinking. Enacting a program like the one I described above would be impractical, expensive, and inconvenient to the vast majority of passengers who are not doing stupid irresponsible things and who would be forced to endure the inconvenience and cost of doing this.
From you, yes.....no consideration is necessary. People who know what they are talking about can consider it.
Authorities should be very suspicious of her claims that the bartender was “pushing drinks" on her, that’s usually an indication the person is an alcoholic. Those are your words! You obviously know what you're talking about. You're bright. So tell me genius, where did you come up with this information? Are people who hiccup alot alcoholics too? Like in the cartoons?
A ship's Captain should never let crew members or passengers wander around willy-nilly, drunk off their asses. There's way too many dangerous conditions.
That's why the passengers are there in the first place. They can do whatever the f*** they want. Ohhh. I didn't know that. Passengers do whatever the heck they want on cruises. So they can assault other passengers if they want? Can they steal food from the galley? Can they throw other passengers possessions overboard? Can they try to sabotage the ships engine room? Go ahead MidAtlantic....answer these. Can you answer these questions like an adult? Like a cogent adult?