Alaskan Oil and Gas Leases cancelled

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Just a thought, how about no money? I’m no expert in the history of it, but I think it started thousands of years ago with transaction logs. When kingdoms needed lots of salt, they might not have enough to trade for it when a shipment came in, so they marked it down. Later, another transaction balanced that out.

We could do the same with our time and skills. This would be electronic also, but the “haves” already have all the tools they need, so someone with nothing could do some work, get in the log, and then go to the grocery store and they would see that they are working, so they could take some food. It wouldn’t be an exchange of time for food, it would be a log showing that they are participating. Parenting would have value. What is now charity work would have value.

Recognizing work that takes higher skills and education gets a little more sketchy, but the issue to me is solving poverty. In a moneyless society, it doesn’t really exist, unless we collectively turn our attention from some people. We do that now because we say “we can’t afford it”, or “they aren’t adding to the GDP”, but take those away, and the conversation changes.

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What happened to the Democrats “were the party of grownups”? That didn’t last long. You don’t hear that falsehood anymore.

It is obvious you don’t know what illegal is because I did list items. And I think you know that, or you wouldln’t fall back on blaming Trump. The American people are getting tired of the false whining.

Biden does an executive order with overreach. A nice term for illegal activity that is politically backed.

Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law. They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities.

Since the Democrats control congress. The way of stopping overreach is to stop the funding. But that is not being done.

When an unconstitutional Presidential Executive Order is issued, Congress cannot just overturn it. Therefore, Congress has to sue the government. A lawsuit would be brought forward that the President has gone beyond his authority.

So far more than 40 executive orders enacted by Biden are claimed to violate the Constitution.

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It is obvious you don’t know what illegal is because I did list items. And I think you know that, or you wouldln’t fall back on blaming Trump. The American people are getting tired of the false whining.

You are the whiner and falling back on Hillary Clinton’s server non-issue several times now. How long ago was that again?

Trump was the the most recent president and it is his totally illegitimate presidential legacy we ought to discuss.

Biden does an executive order with overreach. A nice term for illegal activity that is politically backed.

In 2021, Joseph R. Biden Jr. published 77 executive orders

Donald Trump issued 220 executive orders between 2017 and 2021.
https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders

Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law. They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities.

The President can declare Martial Law if he deems it necessary. Don’t give me this executive order crap when the Nation is in a Pandemic.

Since the Democrats control congress. The way of stopping overreach is to stop the funding. But that is not being done.

There is no overreach. The national deficit has shrunk under Biden because his economic stimulus packages have worked and today

Unemploiment is at its lowest point in history.

When an unconstitutional Presidential Executive Order is issued, Congress cannot just overturn it. Therefore, Congress has to sue the government. A lawsuit would be brought forward that the President has gone beyond his authority.

So far more than 40 executive orders enacted by Biden are claimed to violate the Constitution.

And where are the lawsuits? Anyone can file a lawsuit.

Congress filed two lawsuits (impeachments) against Trump and the Republican-controlled Senate refused to even hear the evidence. Don’t give out false allegations and incorrect historical facts Mike. I am doing you a courtesy here .

I don’t think you are a bad person, I do think you are terribly misinformed. Try listening to some different news organization, please.

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Another one of your delusions. When you start insulting people, it really doesn’t land, because your thought process is on display in the history of your posts. One party has never controlled this country. We are currently in the worst gridlock that I know of, certainly in the modern era.

You are talking about the people who make the laws. Abortion was just a normal thing before 1850, then it was illegal, then it was shown that it was unConstitutional to make a law against it, now, that’s going to change. So, what does “legal” mean? Sometimes it means, the people with the power make the rules.

You listed things that have been going on for decades, regardless of majorities or Presidents. You just don’t like the current guy, so you hang blame on him.

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Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on the system.

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What you listed as President Biden did isn’t illegal and IF he did or even could he can’t do any of it by himself. I already said this. He needs congress to approve and as I said, the economy is based on the previous administration, not a current one. Thus, the current economy is the dotard’s administration’s fault, not the Biden administration.

The dotard did many illegal things, including encouraging people to overthrow the government. Not to mention his executive orders. He used them as a dictatorship, not as a president. He wasn’t even a legit president.

No they do not control congress. That is a power hungry Repug delusion.

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George Bush has done it again . While speaking about corruption , rigged elections, prisoning of dissidents and a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion - he projects to the United States and says " of Iraq". He tries to recover by saying i mean ukraine but then throws in " iraq too" knowing that he will never be tried as a living war criminal that he is.

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Yes. I’ve said many times Bush is a war criminal. It didn’t change how I feel about Putin

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You have spectacularly missed the point once again

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You are one post from being banned PP. Clean it up.

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This is supposed to be a discussion forum, not a Punch and Judy performance.
Why are you so incapable of trying to explain yourself?

Iraq was a disgusting tragedy and okay one huge war crime, as David points out - so if you’re going to let that upset you - why are you so comfortable with what Putin has done to Ukraine?

Your own inconsistencies, not to mention your focus on baiting, expose you for what you are, a pathetic troll who doesn’t actually know that much to begin with, but does enjoy irritating other people.

Oh and besides isn’t the title to this thread “Alaskan Oil and Gas Leases cancelled”?

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Yes. The thread has taken a few detours, hasn’t it.

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Your gaslighting again. If you are following the history of my posts. Then you would understand that the main problem is the swamp. The swamp crosses party lines. A common factor of people in power. They go to DC and their wealth increases. Trump loss 1/3 of his wealth while in office. Obama’s wealth increased by 30 times while in office. When the DC people in power get rich, the reality for most Americans is they lose wealth.

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A political point for the gullibility. Your following the U-3 reports. You should be following the U-6 reports. The U-6 is the “Real Unemployment Numbers”. During Trump, the real unemployment was going down. It has started upward after Biden took office. The difference is the U-3 is based upon people drawing Unemployment checks. The U-6 is the people that out of work. Even if they can not draw unemployment checks anymore.

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And if it didn’t get balanced out. You had war. A dollar in the hands of the working man is just a dollar. Dollars controlled by the government is “power”. Example, the teacher’s union is powerful because if it’s voting power. But it is also very powerful politically because it controls a lot of dollar.

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That’s interesting. I had not heard that. But did you look at why? He is in the hotel and entertainment industry. That took a big hit during the pandemic. I’m not going to defend Obama getting rich. It’s a big problem, one that I’ve written about many times. But you have trouble seeing it when someone agrees with you.

You say “the swamp”, but then you do what you just did, you follow it up with some data about the swamp monster that you like. Data that does not support your argument.

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That’s a pretty empty statement without any reference or relativity.
Though it will get the attention and rile the MAGAts

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Again you come up with totally unsupported claims.

a) Trump was never wealthy if you count his unpaid debts and tax liabilities. He lost due to bad investments and excessive losses on his real estate investments. None of his losses were from philanthropic efforts, trust me.

He is currently under investigation by the IRS for misrepresenting his wealth depending on what was financially beneficial to him at the time.

It’s nice to declare a 700 million dollar loss when taxes are due, yet claim an increase in wealth when asking for investment loans. You have absolutely no idea of the financial games Trump played, remember he went bankrupt and stiffed his creditors , how many times?

This is what your dear President Trump did with his financial shenanigans.

Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?

“You’ve taken business bankruptcies six times.”
–Hillary Clinton

“On occasion – four times – we used certain laws that are there.”
–Donald Trump

THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.

Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.

b) And what was Obama’s starting wealth that was increased by 30 times. How exactly did Obama increase his wealth?"
If you start with 10,000 in the bank 30 x 10,000 = 300,000. It is so easy to make a false claim when citing profits without an actual number.

Moreover, Obama earned every penny he made. He was an excellent president!

Did he have massive stock investments that yielded extra profits from his signing specific legislation like the previous vice-president Cheney did with the Halliburton Loophole, during the Bush years?

So, do you want to create pity for poor Trump and the terrible sacrifices he made while in office? The man belongs in jail and all his properties confiscated.

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How many times do you need to be told- the economy during the current administration is set by the previous administration. We are here because of the dotard, not because of President Biden. IF the economy is straighten out and doing well by the time a new president ends up in office, it will be because of President Biden, not due to the future occupant of the White House. What we are seeing now is due to the dotard’s economic policies, not President Biden’s. In other words, the orange creature you worship screwed the economy up and that’s why we are here now. Then again, the whole world is messed up economically right now, so it wasn’t just the dotard’s fault.

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Thanks for the more detailed response. I didn’t have time to elaborate.

I was thinking of analogies like my neighbor lost 1/3 of the value of his new Lexus when he drove it off the lot into a telephone pole, and I can double the value of my car by placing a case of beer in the trunk.

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