"Yes, it is the range of perceptual awareness that defines the consciousness. ..."A coat hanger can be used as an antenna for tv. A fractal antenna can receive an enormous range of wave lengths. Just think of Wi-Fi i-pods. Are I-pods conscious? They are certainly sensory receptors. All they need is a processing mechanism to translate the incoming data. Some people with gold crowns were able to receive radio waves though their teeth, which kinda proves that almost anything is responsive to certain exterior pressures or irritants.
I’ve lost track of what we are even debating. What’s the question? Are you saying gold crowns that receive radio signals, offers some insight into the workings of consciousness?
Last night I spent some time reading that paper, and was going to add this quote:Thus, the natural processes occurring inside our own selves are ultimately unknowable. Freud recognized that just as we can never know external reality directly, so too we can never know our inner selves directly.
And, more important, he thereby recognized that in our essence we are made of the same ultimate stuff as the rest of the universe—that is to say, that our own beloved selves are ultimately “similar in kind to the other natural processes of which we have obtained knowledge” (Freud 1940b, p. 283).
The only difference between our inner selves and the world around us is the fact that the natural processes occurring within us are represented on a perceptual surface and in a sensory modality different from those appropriate to the natural processes occurring around us.
This is the crux of the matter, and numerous implications flow from it.
(P688)
WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS? Solms
JAPA - This paper was presented as the Charles Fisher Memorial Lecture to the New York Psychoanalytic Society on May 7, 1996.
Instead I started watching your video and noticed it’s not the one I’d watched previously, this one was to a more grown up audience than the TED talk that so irritated me, and up to near 40 min I was good with what he was saying, then I faded out. Hope to listen to the rest today, since he’s just now getting into the neighbor where I think things get a bit squirrelly for me. I’m curious to listen to the rest, since my own understand has gone through so much evolution, that I dare say I’m listening with different ears than I was a half year ago. I’m looking forward to it and to seeing if I can still define what bothered me, or if I need to accept what he says - it’s not like I don’t appreciate the guys a genius compared to me. But, I also know geniuses can be wrong.
I’m running out of time, with lots of plans for me today, so need to peels off. I did find this line in another paper that touches on the key point for me. The thing, I believe, too many try dancing around . . .
"Ironically, it turns out that consciousness is lodged in the inmost interior of the brain.Consciousness is an endogenous property of the brain; it does not stream in through the senses."
Mark Solms - https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf-library/Solms_Unconscious.pdf. (page 91)