It’s apparently now a two person conversation in this thread since we didn’t agree with him.
Hey, menage au trois?.. 
Can you explain why it is important that you include the word “actually” and the dashes? I have a definition of “reality”, but I don’t use the word “reality” when I define it, and I can only define the word, I can’t describe the entirety of reality out to its furthest extent. Nobody can do that.
That only gives significance to “something”, as opposed to the insignificance of “nothing”.
If you want to invoke Newton’s Third Law of Motion to the term “significance”, you end up with “something” has “positive significance”, and “nothing” has “negative significance”, and that is not a logical expression… 
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lol Hey, it’s my job to be Lwaxana. 
You toss out these tidbits, but I wonder if you could even define what this “hard problem of consciousness” is, (that scientists and philosophers and cranks are grappling with)?
I mean like what’s the question being asked?
you can be such an donkey.
Everything you’ve been doing here is rhetorical.
Then the dreaded personal victimization, you aren’t making sense so we are the a-holes.
That is your opinion. Obviously, the people you are presenting your ideas too, find it more confusing, and no careful presentation at all. In a dialogue one acknowledges and absorbs what others are sharing with you.
But you don’t do that, instead you are offended that we don’t get what your words mean and how your mind works.
(Mixing “infinity” with your “infinitude” doesn’t do anything to help.)
Oh the irony is astounding.
I’d be careful there, since religion certain is the reality within the minds of billions. That’s why I prefer Physical Reality. That’s specific, without dismissing the mind outright, it’s simply that the mind belongs in another categories
“Appreciating the Physical Reality ~ Human Mindscape divide”
In fact, one of the problems with this thread is that neither you or Write, who’s been bending over backwards trying to make some progress with understanding you, address that, so it’s like tennis, bouncy ball.
Lwaxana was a daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed, the holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx, and heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed . She had a tendency to remind people of this fact when she felt that she had been slighted or whenever she chose to establish her authority.
What is it about those magic rings, they always seem to cause problems?
In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie. One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them;In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.**
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One of my favorite Star Trek scenes was when Deanna told her mother how tiresome that was, saying the Chalice was a dusty old cup.
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Last night, after deleting my quotes and comments which was probably triple the length of my above comment.
Musing on it later, I found myself back at the conceit so many have of finding some ultimate “Truth” …
One problem is this obsession so many have with finding some ultimate “Truth” which seems like a fools errand to me. That got me back to musing on the difference between truth and honesty, and why a dedication to “Honesty” seems difference from a conceit to seek truth.
Then a beautiful metaphor presented itself.
Truth is like a hot desert highway mirage. Always out there ahead of you, reflecting the horizon beyond, that you can never arrive at.
Honesty is fidelity to known facts along with a willingness to absorb new information and evidence.
Or something like.
Time to run, instead of Maddy I have four little hands pounding on the door, Napa!, come out and play.
Being with the grandkids is wonderful, seeing middle class life style in action and the over the top Christmas gift giving of stuff that is mostly heading towards the trash is truly mind bending. There is hope, but no future for us, I’m regularly reminded of the scene near the end of the Easy Rider where the one dude realizes they didn’t get away with anything and, in fact, they’d really blown it.
Yes, in their minds, but it isn’t real outside their minds. It’s no more real than me being on the bridge of the Enterprise, with Capt. Picard, et al… only in my dreams does that happen. Now tell me, you would not deny that isn’t real if I started talking as though it was real? No, you’d suggest psychological help to me, but yet millions, if not billions, of religious believers get a free a pass. To me, it’s all one and the same, but I can’t claim the Roddenberry Star Trek Bible to be as real as the Xian Bible, without being considered a nutter. And yet, the Star Trek Bible IS humanism. As long as I keep it on earth and not take it out to space, I am fine.
Define “mind”, because some would argue that it is nothing more than the brain.
Yes . Who are you? lol
Mine too, except I believe it was a “moldy”, not “dusty”. The Sacred Chalice of Riix is a moldy old clay pot, I do believe was that line. Actually, “The Sacred Chalice of Riix is an old clay pot with mold growing inside of it.”
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In case no one has noticed this little exchange sponsored by CFI
Ricky Gervais and Richard Dawkins in Conversation - YouTube
and this;
Richard Dawkins: Best arguments against religion/faith of all Time. - YouTube
Dawkins is also another apostate Anglican. There seems to be a lot of people who left the Anglican/Episcopal Church due “losing faith in faith”. Sadly, I’ll have to watch the videos later, possibly tomorrow evening.
In the conversation Dawkins refers to himself as “agnostic”.
Gervais brings attention to the fact that all people, including theists, are agnostic in the absence of physical proof.
Therefore, if one is to make a real choice, to say “agnostic” is meaningless as it does not answer the question if one believes a god exists or not.
To say “I don’t know” is really an evasion.
But there’s the problem, look at those over the top cathedrals, and mega-churches, or the Vatican and the power it wields over woman right to self determination and self defense and the simple argument, that a mother’s life and her well-being and her family is more important than a fetus (End of discussion.), among other nasty power trips.
There is very real power and consequences to beliefs and thoughts.
They are misinformed. The brain is biological organ that works in concert with the body and its incoming signals - that is what all that processing produces, the inside reflection of what our body is doing.
An Earth Centrist, which I can easily explain,
before that, Dharma Bum would have worked pretty good. 
(7.01) An Alternative Philosophical Perspective - “Earth Centrism”
(7.02) Appreciating the Physical Reality ~ Human Mindscape divide
(7.03) Being an element in Earth’s Pageant of Evolution
(7.04) It’s not a “Body-Mind problem” it’s an “Ego-God problem.”
That doesn’t make sense isn’t faith all about believing without physical proof?
What if it’s an irrelevant question, because we understand that Gods are our own creations.
Ego incarnated in visions of God.
Isn’t there a class of questions that are beyond wrong, because they are senseless, without resolution in either direction?
You don’t understand. He has said he grew up in the Anglican Church and then he left the Church. I too left the Episcopal Church (related to the Anglican) when I became a humanist. That’s all my comment meant.
Now that is another topic, in which men use religion to hold power over women.
Nope, they are not misinformed. They are psychologists and psychiatrists, who would debate on that, because the brain and the mind are the same thing.
No, no, no, no. You haven’t watched ST:TNG have you? In Haven, I think that was the episode, Lwaxana informed someone, “I am Lwaxana Troi, daughter of the fifth house of Betazed. Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Riix. Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed. Who are you?” It had nothing to do with the conversation, per se, but a comment someone else made. It was purely a digression from the topic.
Right and that is not agnostic as far as belief is concerned. But do they really know or are we talking about an uncontrolled hallucination?
As soon as you decide what to believe (have faith or not) in the existence of a god it’s no longer agnostic.
Being agnostic is not having 50/50 belief in God.
It is being unsure of 100% one way or the other. Get my drift?
My bad… 
Okay you are right about that, I have no clue about any of that, I was referring to the world I’m aware of and not some writers world. So I’m not much into fantasy movies, comics or any of that jazz.
See I’ll fail those test, I can get some StarTrek inside jokes, but even that needs to be confined to the first TV show back in the 60s. StarWars was too over the top and consumption orients and that was about the end of the line for my fantasy pursuits.
Got into the Hobbit a little, but that was because my daughter was reading it at the time and I wanted to be able to relate to what she fell so in love with.
The “mind” is the constellation of our thoughts.
The “brain” is a physical biological organ that produces thoughts.
Find me quotes and citation where some experts tells you they are the same,
let’s look at the source.
I get your drift, but it feels like playing with semantics, and more pointless than not.
Also who are we to judge the depth of another’s faith? During that short period of time, when I went to the Tabor Lutheran (11-13ish), I believed in Jesus with every fiber, but you’ll point out obviously I didn’t or I wouldn’t have grown out of it. But that wouldn’t been convincing to me at the time. It’s like arguing about wave function collapse. No resolution to be hoped for since it’s beyond our real world experiences.
And I’m not even sure I get the semantics. I don’t see why “I don’t know” isn’t a legitimate place to stand. I say that about the beginning of the universe. I say it about what we should do about the immigration crisis. Although, on both of those, I can talk about them, and discuss ideas, but that’s not “knowing”.
And “faith” is a choice, a conclusion based on some reflection, but not necessarily logical. A true believer might say they “know that they know that they know”, but I think they also know that the odd sentence structure of that is expressing a different kind of “knowing”.
But there are only 2 belief systems, the belief there is a god or the belief there is no god.
Agnostic is not a belief system, it is a position of ignorance. Can you believe that you don’t know?