What ethics do we live by?

if you don’t believe in Almighty God, whose justice system no one can mess with.
Hours after writing in stone, "thou shalt not kill", God ordered Moses and his brethen to kill a few thousand people. Because they broke one or two of the other commandments.
Having rich friends that get you out of trouble still involves consequences, and money can’t buy everything. Wow, do I have to say that one.
Got a spare $250 million? If you’re among the top 0.1 percent, you probably do. No social activist has any idea what money can buy and the wealthy prefer to stay in the dark with regard to their power to choose away consequences. Chris Rock has only $100 million and yet is wise enough to know. He once uttered: " “If poor people knew how rich rich people are, there would be riots in the streets.” The poor people must have smelled it because they weren't going crazy in the streets over black lives. It was over poor lives and they also want the power to choose away consequences.
Hours after writing in stone, “thou shalt not kill”, God ordered Moses and his brethen to kill a few thousand people. Because they broke one or two of the other commandments.
God 's commandments were made for you, his creation, and forbade anyone from destroying what was divinely created. He made you and has the right to snuff you out. It's not injustice or murder as defined by the law you made for yourself and your fellowmen. And God, not elected by you, can serve more than two terms. (I am not defending Judaism. This is a philosophical argument.)
God ‘s commandments were made for you, his creation, and forbade anyone from destroying what was divinely created. He made you and has the right to snuff you out. It’s not injustice or murder as defined by the law you made for yourself and your fellowmen. And God, not elected by you, can serve more than two terms.
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It (rioting) was over poor lives and they also want the power to choose away consequences.
I like white privilege. I want to keep it. I just want everyone else to have it, too.

Chris Rock has only $100 million and yet is wise enough to know. – Sree

So, I have to limit my Sree time, and I’m 3 posts in the hole right now. Each pretty crazy. I’ll pick this one, because he does the slippery thing right in one post, instead of waiting for three posts, then sliding out of logic world into Sree world. Here, he quotes a person who is very aware of what it means to be poor, and also aware of how it is to be well beyond merely comfortable. But what does Sree agree with? Does he agree that poor people are justified in starting a violent revolution? Does he agree that rich people try to hide what it’s like to be rich? (As if we couldn’t figure out they are hiding something because they literally have gates and guards around their homes.) Does he notice that although he says they are hiding something, it’s pretty obvious we all figured it out? Does he know that it is literally a few clicks away to find out exactly what $100 million can buy? It’s just as easy learning the history of the Jacobins.

I like white privilege.
Who doesn't, but - in America - you have to earn it. And I am not talking about having a white father, I am talking about liquid, rich enough to have your own jet. In our world, you are either a player or nothing and go prancing around in the streets tearing down statues.

Regard #331622.

Lordie, lordie what a bunch of pansy weenies we’ve become.

A little passion and they run for the hills.


Regarding sree’s latest bombast. Bullshit. I could not have done a fraction of what I did, had I not been a nice looking white guy. Neither the hitchhiking, including through Gulf Coast, fancy resort jobs, pounding T-posts, and all the rest. It’s all about how people perceive you, and people of color are feared by white folks, thus we’ve always tried to “keep them in their place.”

I think it grows out of guilt. Try imagining the horrors of the Age of Exploration and Subjugation inflicted on millions upon millions of people who had been minding their own business. Which melted into the hideous Colonial Period and more subjugation and horrors and disease and slavery on an unimaginable scale. Then came the horrors of the twentieth century and what science’s mastery of fundamental laws enable ever more powerful sociopaths exploit. All founded on an assumption of White Supremacism. The White Man’s Original Sin.

And now we’ve entered the closing chapters, the decline, and yes, more horrors before the closing page. Well done humanity.

So long as Me First is a notion supported by most Americans, okay lets be honest, the rest of the world also, nothing about our trajectory is going to improve.

 

@sree I don’t like it and there are a lot of other people who don’t. It’s not something to be proud of, because you step all over others to have it.

But they have this inbred mean streak, they enjoy sticking in the knife.

They get a rush out of a sense of superiority.

Thus that bit of passion play.

you have to earn it, Sree
I, um, never mind

White privilege can be thought of as a kind of ethical system.

Tribalism.

do unto other tribes as you would have them do to yours

Tribalism itself can’t really function as an ethical system but it’s probably a necessary ingredient in all ethical systems.

Okay Guy, tribalism is about cohesion. Then what?


@timb, do unto other tribes as you would have them do to yours
Like that's ever happened. ;-\

Most of history is dedicated one tribe taking from another, or gobbling them up , as the case maybe.

And now that times are going to keep getting rougher and tougher, I fear it’s only going to get worse.

The most ruthless always takes the cake time and time again,

and We The People repeatedly through out time and around the world standby already too neutered, to care, or dare, to do anything about it.

Just saying. :wink:

Okay Guy, tribalism is about cohesion. Then what?
Then, the sky is the limit in the attainment of a perfect ethical society. Let a man be a man, a woman be a woman, a father be a father, a wife be a wife, parents care for their children, and kids respect authority, government for the people, and citizens obey the law. Above all, no pressing 2 for English. One people with justice for all.
Then, the sky is the limit in the attainment of a perfect ethical society.
Unless your tribe is the Hutus, and a nearby tribe is the Tootsies.
~ Tribalism is about cohesion. Then what? ~

@sree: “Then, the sky is the limit in the attainment of a perfect ethical society. Let a man be a man, a woman be a woman, a father be a father, a wife be a wife, parents care for their children, and kids respect authority, government for the people, and citizens obey the law. Above all, no pressing 2 for English. One people with justice for all.”


Yes child it certainly does in the story books and legends that the victors wrote.

In real life it gets more complicated in a hurry.

Okay Guy, tribalism is about cohesion. Then what?
I guess ethical systems inevitably develop from that cohesion. Outsiders who are allowed in have to submit to the system or they pay some kind of penalty.

Ethics are a type of “rule”. Laws are rules that have systemic and explicit consequences for being followed or not.

There are other rules called “morals”. These can have unwanted social consequences for others when defied and for the perpetrator when detected to be defied, as well as purported supernatural consequences.

There are rules called “ethics” which are for persons who wish to, or need to, have extraordinary social trust. The unwanted consequence of not following ethics would be for that trust to be lost.

Then there are other types of rules that are just about doing things that make them easier to do or more likely to do successfully.

We, generally, all often do “rule governed” behaviors. The overall function of rules being that we operate more successfully and avoid a lot of problems by doing so.