What do humanists think of romanticism?

Here is an article on the Romantic artistic movement.

From what I read, disco doesn’t make any reference to this artistic movement.

The symbolist movement did, the surrealist movement did, the Beat Generation did.

You can read the preface of Cromwell, by Victor Hugo, or The Painter of Modern Life by Charles Baudelaire, or the Manifesto of symbolism by Jean Moréas.

The authentic expression of the artist is precisely one core value of romanticism.

What is the problem?

The problem is asking you questions. It’s seems difficult for you to parse out what is being asked.

I believe there is a mixup between the terms “romance” and “romanticism” that is a genre of art appealing to the “glorious” more “heroic” side of life.

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“I believe there is a mixup between the terms “romance” and “romanticism”” Yes there is.

“that is a genre of art appealing to the “glorious” more “heroic” side of life.” romanticism is not only that, but yes it encompasses this

I think the problem is he can’t modernize romanticism. The art fits the definition in the modern context. Things don’t stay the same as years go on, but they do keep the same elements. It’s still same artistic genre, just has a modern tone to it.

I’m not sure if “mixup” is the right term. Certainly, the history of the “Romantic period” of the late 18th century is not as well known as romantic comedies or romance novels or love songs are today, but there is a connection. In the same way, the term “I’m slaving away at my job” is connected to slavery of the 17th century. It’s not direct. Definitions of words change as they are used. As a movement, Realism has replaced Romanticism, and sometimes directly critiques it, but then we get another word that is used widely used without people realizing they are doing it. (See what I did there?)

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Anarcho-individualism, egoism, punk, Nietzsche and Stirner

“Nietzsche’s possible reading, knowledge, and plagiarism of Max Stirner’s The Ego and Its Own (1845) has been a contentious question and frequently discussed for more than a century now.” (Brobjer, 2003)

The punk and other anti-socials are often called rebels.

But I think it is really an insult on true rebels, like those fighting for their basic rights like in dictatorships at the peril of their lives.

“Rebel” should not be a polite term romanticizing anti-socials.

Brobjer, T. H. (2003). A possible solution to the Stirner-Nietzsche Question. Journal of Nietzsche Studies, 109-114.

Argh, I missed this post at the time (the website tends to direct us directly at the last post sent).

We notice more the psychedelic hippie influence on the song “I Feel Love” by Donna Summer indeed, so I would call that more romantic, in the academic sense of the term.

Barbara Streisand seems again to me a normal artist (and this is a compliment). It’s just a little bit, yes, “lyric”, but “lyricism” is not the property of Romanticism.

The photos of the clip for “The Main Event/Fight” recalls me the European carnival tradition. The carnival tradition did not wait the Romantic movement (end of 18th century) to exist, and has little thing to do with it. It’s just, the craziness of the party?

Very different from the kind of craziness I mentioned in #84.

We may have to agree to disagree on that, because I see the very definition in all of what I posted and not the carnival you mentioned.

Ok, to conclude, if psychedelic hippie culture has/had a strong influence on disco, so I would say disco belongs to Romanticism in the academic sense of the term.

So, psychedelic hippie culture is what makes things Romanticism?

Hippie culture is in direct continuation of European romanticism starting in Germany (Hamann) and France/Switzerland (Rousseau), and England (Chatterton) in around the end of the 18th century.

Early romanticism → romanticism → French symbolism/decadentism/modernism | American transcendentalism → French dadaism → French surrealism → American Beat Generation → American hippie culture

Each of these movements strongly influenced one another

Maybe in Europe. I don’t think I want much to do with a hippie who hasn’t take a bath in days, much less in weeks.

What does that mean?

" je ne pense pas que je veuille avoir à faire avec " in French… ou « se trouver en relation avec ».

Incidentally, thanks for your compliments.

I will add that I often disagree with you, but that your posts are often interesting, leading to thinking.

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The insinuation is that we don’t take bath in Europe or…? :smile: :sweat_smile:

I ask that because I kind of recall there is this cliché in the US about French people

No. She didn’t say that. It’s a cliche about hippies anywhere.

https://theinfosphere.org/index.php?title=Smelly_Hippie&redirect=no

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Understood, thank you.

But not taking bath is not a feature of romanticism!

I learned about this continuation from Michael Löwy:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0725513602068001008?icid=int.sj-abstract.similar-articles.1