I’ve listened to this whole thing. It gets painful at times, but this is a key 11 minutes. Sam has a great sense of traditions and humanity, so he cuts through Peterson like a hot knife. Jordan believes since he has followers, he’s discovered something. Really, he’s just repackaged what all the searchers, including the evolutionary biologists, already know. Most of them do it for personal gain, or fill a gap because they don’t know better. Harris takes the less popular, but intellectually honest path.