The Christian Legacy

Even when I try to distract myself, the world is always barging in.
So I’m watching this grand little video about the rediscover, rebirth, of ancient Polynesian seafaring technology and navigational knowledge.
They are filming on the boat in the middle of the Pacific, here and there, no birds in any of the footage.
Then it occurs to me, the billions, if not trillions, of birds that got slaughtered during those voyages of discovery and the feathered hat craze of later generations.
The hundreds of islands that were once covered with wild habitat and birds that are now ghettoized remnants of colonial… and WWII… and Cold War days.
All those missing birds no longer plying the oceans.
But the real reason I bring it up, is to post the following comment in the documentary that stopped me cold.
Seems to me, to really sum up the greater problem in a nut shell.
Worth chewing on a bit.

Light at The Edge of The World - The Wayfinders hearthasnohierarchy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWp5MiiVR1k Starts at 25:00 (during Cap't Cook era >1774) 25:25 "We have this terrible coincidence, of this new religious idea, new religious ideology, coming in with these missionary's with the overt and explicit goal of eradicating everything that lies before them. "There's no interest in what lies before them, all before them is pagan, heathen, diabolical. To be destroyed. In fact, the very intensity with which it is seen as diabolical becomes mirror onto your own righteousness. And that was the whole dialectic with the missionary. So they just want to wipe it out."
~~~~~~~~~~ And it seems that same stupid white man's arrogance and hubris remains alive and well and is simply continuing it's tradition of destroying every natural thing it touches. But, in this current round it's going to wind up eating us up in the bargain. So sad. We never learned a thing, did we. :- (

Case in point:

Marcia McNutt's ill-considered endorsement of Keystone XL Pipeline http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2014/03/marcia-mcnutts-ill-considered.html Looking more like Mordor than planet earth - Canadian tar sands mines larger than Greater Manchester dominate the landscape next to the Athabasca River, with no proven way to reclaim the boreal forest. Oil sands are a mixture of bitumen and sand. The province of Alberta has proven reserves of 174 billion barrels of oil, second in size only to Saudi Arabia. (WWF) Credit: © Rezac / WWF-UK Source: WWF-UK This image comes from an article that documents how Anthony Watts and friends blatantly misquotes and lies about what scientists have said. http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/03/hansen-this-is-game-over-and-anthony.html?

Very true. - The problem with Christianity is indeed its “otherworldliness”. The spirit is everything, this planet, this body, this life, it’s just something half-heartedly accepted before it’ll be trashed anyway for something better.
It’s all about YOU. The planet exists for YOU. Unbelievers must be converted to become like YOU. Animals are subject to YOU. And anyone disagreeing is the DEVIL. And should you honestly believe that last part, as Rambo says, “killing’s as easy as breathing”. All in the service of God.
Is there any book out there tying together this contradictory Christian mindset on all its levels?

Not too sure if christianity is all an “afterlife” religion
And even then, it depends on what faith you are talking about.
While some historians had always regarded the Draper-White thesis as oversimplifying and distorting a complex relationship, in the late twentieth century it underwent a more systematic reevaluation. The result is the growing recognition among historians of science that the relationship of religion and science has been much more positive than is sometimes thought. Although popular images of controversy continue to exemplify the supposed hostility of Christianity to new scientific theories, studies have shown that Christianity has often nurtured and encouraged scientific endeavour, while at other times the two have co-existed without either tension or attempts at harmonization. If Galileo and the Scopes trial come to mind as examples of conflict, they were the exceptions rather than the rule

but while Brooke’s view [religion and science relationship is complex] has gained widespread acceptance among professional historians of science, the traditional view remains strong elsewhere, not least in the popular mind

Science & Religion: A Historical Introduction. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press
page ix
A link can be seen here (sorry if it is long, but it was being marked as spam every other way) :frowning:
http://books.google.ae/books?id=weOOCfiDhDcC&pg=PR9&dq=The+result+is+the+growing+recognition+among+historians+of+science&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mIWoUsrGMoKF4ASyt4D4Ag&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=The result is the growing recognition among historians of science&f=false

Not too sure if christianity is all an "afterlife" religion And even then, it depends on what faith you are talking about. While some historians had always regarded the Draper-White thesis as oversimplifying and distorting a complex relationship, in the late twentieth century it underwent a more systematic reevaluation. The result is the growing recognition among historians of science that the relationship of religion and science has been much more positive than is sometimes thought. Although popular images of controversy continue to exemplify the supposed hostility of Christianity to new scientific theories, studies have shown that Christianity has often nurtured and encouraged scientific endeavour, while at other times the two have co-existed without either tension or attempts at harmonization. If Galileo and the Scopes trial come to mind as examples of conflict, they were the exceptions rather than the rule ... but while Brooke’s view [religion and science relationship is complex] has gained widespread acceptance among professional historians of science, the traditional view remains strong elsewhere, not least in the popular mind Science & Religion: A Historical Introduction. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press page ix A link can be seen here (sorry if it is long, but it was being marked as spam every other way) :( http://books.google.ae/books?id=weOOCfiDhDcC&pg=PR9&dq=The+result+is+the+growing+recognition+among+historians+of+science&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mIWoUsrGMoKF4ASyt4D4Ag&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=The result is the growing recognition among historians of science&f=false
Hello Brother, Salaam, That's a very good point, no, Christianity, or Islam for that matter, don't have to be or even are "otherworldly" in all instances. No monk or Sufi will argue too defining on theological ideas. Taking care of "God's creation" is always part of the plan. But you have to agree that most madness and destruction is done because both of these religions are taken literally by some people. Very sad situation. So needy for love and certainty you don't mind destroying the very real lives of others, maybe seeking things just the same. - Every blot of blood once made a living being. Peace.