Not a medical website. Not a place for medical advice. Especially really bad advice that says “all scientists are wrong”. How would you even begin to prove that? You don’t have any scientific evidence, unless you are a non-scientist who has done research and has data and has a has made conclusions that have been confirmed. Oh wait, that makes you a scientist.
This is not a medical forum, but that see, please your doctor concerning your anxiety and stop fooling around with herbs that have no scientific evidence that they work for anxiety.
A person may have the exact same physiological response to a stimulus, yet experience an entirely different emotion.
Factors such as the individual’s existing mental state, cues in the environment, and the reactions of other people can all play a role in the resulting emotional response.[1] For example, if you experience a racing heart and sweating palms during an important exam, you will probably identify the emotion as anxiety. If you experience the same physical responses on a date, you might interpret those responses as love, affection, or arousal. If you experience the same physical responses you are walking in the woods, and you see a grizzly bear. You will interpret your physical reactions and conclude that you are frightened .Another example, if someone sneaks up on you and shouts, your heart rate increases. Your heart rate increase （palpitation）is what causes you to feel fear(nightmare). If you see a grizzly bear, but you do not have racing heart （palpitation）, you will not have fear.
In the same way, all human emotions such as anxieties panic attacks, nightmares［2］ and sleep paralysis［3］ are caused by such physiological symptoms as palpitations and hypotension attack. In this way, the problem becomes very simple, that is, the cause can be determined according to the patient’s symptoms. For example, if the symptom of a panic attack patient is palpitation, the cause of the panic attack is palpitation. If the symptoms of panic attacks are hypotension attack, the cause of panic attacks is hypotension attack. If you do not have palpitations, hypotension attack, these physiological symptoms, you will not have any fear.
Scientists all over the world still say that they do not know the cause of panic attacks, sleep paralysis and nightmares. It reverses the causal relationship between fear and palpitations. For thousands of years, all scientists around the world have been studying a problem that does not exist at all. Why does fear（panic attacks, sleep paralysis and nightmares） cause your racing heart（palpitation）? Of course, they will not get any valuable results.
If you think about what scary emotion this scary hypotension attack symptom that often occurs when you are awake will cause when you sleep, you will immediately know that it is sleep paralysis! But for thousands of years, no scientist in the world has thought about what kind of emotional problems will be caused by such scary hypotension attack symptoms when they are sleeping.There is a corresponding difference that Popper sees in the form of the claims made by sciences and pseudo-sciences: Scientific claims are falsifiable – that is, they are claims where you could set out what observable outcomes would be impossible if the claim were true – while pseudo-scientific claims fit with any imaginable set of observable outcomes. What this means is that you could do a test that shows a scientific claim to be false, but no conceivable test could show a pseudo-scientific claim to be false. Sciences are testable, pseudo-sciences are not. For example, we can determine whether the scientific opinion that sleep paralysis is caused by hypotension is correct by measuring whether there is a sudden drop in brain blood pressure when sleep paralysis occurs. However, we cannot find a test method to determine whether the pseudo scientific opinion about sleep paralysis is correct.
[1],The James-Lange Theory of Emotion
By Kendra Cherry Updated on November 19, 2020
［2］https://www.quora.com/What-do-dreams-about-being-chased-and-killed-mean/answer/Cheng-Ming-24
［3］https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-herbs-or-medicines-that-cause-sleep-paralysis/answer/Cheng-Ming-24
The drugs recommended by therapists to treat anxiety now have antihypertensive effects. If the patient’s anxiety is caused by hypotension, taking the antihypertensive medication recommended by the therapist not only has no effect, but also further lowers blood pressure and increases the patient’s condition.
There’s too many wrong things to respond to. This one is just a complete abuse of the English language.
Sorry, I don’t understand English. My English was translated through translation software, which is definitely not very accurate. I think you should understand what I’m trying to convey.
A symptom can’t be a cause. Not when diagnosing a disease. What language are you translating from, i can look up the words and see if it helps
@lausten I completely agree. But unfortunately that’s often how psychiatry works, using circular logic. If you have symptoms of anxiety, and they exceed the bounds described in the DSM, you have an anxiety disorder.
The causes of anxiety disorders are currently unknown but likely involve a combination of factors including genetic, environmental, psychological and developmental. Anxiety disorders can run in families, suggesting that a combination of genes and environmental stresses can produce the disorders.
Psychiatry is quite a bit different than other medical fields. For example, if a patient reports symptoms of cancer, they won’t be diagnosed with cancer. Tests will be done. It would obviously be negligent for a doctor to diagnose someone with cancer simply based on symptoms the patient has expressed only verbally.
In a psychiatric session, a patient reports their symptoms. If they have symptoms of an anxiety disorder, they may be diagnosed with an anxiety.disorder. Though in that quote I stated above, anxiety disorders are
likely involve a combination of factors including genetic, environmental, psychological and developmental.
So basically it could be stated that anxiety is a symptom caused by those things. If you eliminate those as factors, the person’s symptoms of feeling anxious will likely subside. They may not have the “disorder” anymore (at least until the factors return). For cancer, if there was some hypothetical way for the symptoms to be eliminated, the disease would still exist.
It’s pretty similar to how depression is diagnosed. Here are some factors:
Biochemistry: Differences in certain chemicals in the brain may contribute to symptoms of depression.
Genetics: Depression can run in families. For example, if one identical twin has depression, the other has a 70 percent chance of having the illness sometime in life.
Personality: People with low self-esteem, who are easily overwhelmed by stress, or who are generally pessimistic appear to be more likely to experience depression.
Environmental factors: Continuous exposure to violence, neglect, abuse or poverty may make some people more vulnerable to depression.
Note that the first two have never been scientifically proven (at least not to my knowledge, but anyone feel free to post a link or two if I’m wrong). For example, the information about genetics comes from people who generally live together and have been exposed to similar situations. There is no scientific test available that identifies a gene or similar DNA that causes depression (again, please correct me if I’m wrong).
And note for the “BIochemistry” factor the use of the word may. Again, there’s no physiological tests for depression.
Actually I don’t believe any scientific evidence exists to support the idea that depression or anxiety disorders are a disease. Though they definitely act like diseases to be sure. They can be debilitating and deadly, and definitely the people who experience these problems should be taken seriously, and any treatments that have proved to be helpful should be considered.
What did I miss? You listed causes and effects, then said of you n eliminate the causes, the effects will change. Isn’t that how I said it should work.
Please excuse me, I wasn’t too clear. Yes, if you remove the causes, the effects will change. But when a patient reports the symptoms of anxiety, or anxiety, they may be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, Usually when a patient is diagnosed with a disorder or disease, that indicates a cause, such as cancer. But the causes (again I’ll quote from the article I linked above)
The causes of anxiety disorders are currently unknown but likely involve a combination of factors including genetic, environmental, psychological and developmental. Anxiety disorders can run in families, suggesting that a combination of genes and environmental stresses can produce the disorders.
are external to the individual (from what we know so far, there’s no scientific evidence connecting DNA or genes).
Basically, the acknowledged causes are not the symptoms, YES. But people are diagnosed with a disorder based on their symptoms. So using the term “circular logic” in my previous post was incorrect on my part.
I’m not sure how often that’s the case, but it sounds like you’re talking about iatrogenic harm:
Palpitation is a cause of emotions such as anxiety, fear, and nightmares. There are many diseases that can cause palpitations, and the symptoms and treatment methods of each disease are different. Therefore, to avoid anxiety, fear, and nightmares, it is necessary to treat these diseases. However, it is very wrong for therapists to blindly use the same medication to treat palpitations caused by different diseases.
This analogy isn’t working for me. Cancer is very different than Anxiety. The quote from the article you provide says the causes are unknown, so, it doesn’t help answer the problem I pointed out, which was;
@sgroclkc said, “For example, if the symptom of a panic attack patient is palpitation, the cause of the panic attack is palpitation.”
Misdiagnosis, or the limitations of mental health care, don’t make that true. @sgroclkc latest post is even less helpful. It’s a tautology, to avoid the thing, you have to treat the thing. The claim of palpitations being a cause is simply made up as far as I can tell. Now, granted, once, a few years ago, I was wrong about something. Somebody introduced something I’d never heard of and I challenged them as if I knew the answer. They set me straight with data, evidence and multiple sources.
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Anxiety is not caused by those things , but by palpitations. Those things is just a risk factor that causes anxiety. Therefore, avoiding those things may not necessarily stop anxiety, and people without those things may also experience anxiety. Only by avoiding palpitations can anxiety be stopped.
I agree, for various reasons. Here’s one:
Freedland and Zorumski write, “Cardiologists, oncologists, and other medical specialists can point to temporal trends in success rates for a variety of clinically important outcomes to confirm that current treatments are more effective than the ones that were available 20 or 30 years ago.”
Yet, they note, “Similar data are hard to find for psychiatric disorders.”
This is the very data that the public wants to know. They want to know that a medical treatment leads to “successful outcomes” and that outcomes have improved over time.
I think we’re in agreement again:
As I interpret that (the entire article and not just the excerpt shown above), and from what I remembered, palpitations can be a sole symptom due to physiology, or it can occur due to psychological reasons.
My take is that a person experiencing solely palpitations might react to it in a way that brings out additional symptoms of anxiety, which could result in a panic attack. But to say “anxiety is caused by palpitations” if far too general a statement and doesn’t really provide any useful information.
As for medication, I don’t think it’s all bad. Some people swear that psych meds have saved their lives (though others, such as myself, feel that medication caused more problems). Case-by-case basis, and risk-benefit analysis whether someone should be prescribed medication and whether someone voluntarily wants to take it.
Unfortunately patients typically aren’t well-informed about the risks.
Geodon can treat anxiety and also cause anxiety. Because anxiety, fear, and nightmares are all caused by palpitations. Geodon can reduce blood pressure, so Geodon can treat palpitations (hypertension anxiety) and also cause palpitations (Hypotension anxiety).
Ziprasidone for the Treatment of Generalized Anxiety in Patients With Bipolar Disorder - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov https://www.quora.com/What-do-dreams-about-being-chased-and-killed-mean/answer/Cheng-Ming-24
Some people may notice that their anxiety is worse after taking Geodon.
Geodon Side Effects: The Flu Shot of Mental Illness | Mantra Care
Nowadays, all medications for treating anxiety have a blood pressure lowering effect. If the blood pressure of anxiety patients is too low and antihypertensive drugs are taken, it will definitely make anxiety more severe.