Right to bear arms?

Yes! Thank you, @Lausten. I couldn’t find it in my emails and couldn’t remember where I read it. Thanks for helping me find it.

Now the Repugs, the NRA and gun manufacturers scratching each other’s backs:

Here’s another good one:

It was 19 armed officers against one gunman! In other words, 19 police guns against one gunman’s gun. SMH So it’s OK for cops to shoot an unarmed Black man and it’s OK to let 19 Latino kids and 2 Latina teachers die at the hands of one gunman? The whole thing is totally backwards. The kids can’t defend themselves and needed police to protect them. Adults! Always falling down on the job when it comes to protecting children.

The hype,


and the reality,

The police failed at protecting the schoolchildren, yes, but we should not be under the illusion that this is an example of the cops failing at their jobs. As far we can tell from reports, police at the scene acted as they usually do, in accordance with standard policing practice: Rather than risk a hail of gunfire to stop the killer, they kept themselves safe.

I see you’ve just posted on that Lausten.

What I wonder is, what the hell were the school doors doing unlocked? Aren’t those days over? I can’t image there’s a Colorado school that doesn’t have doors secured and monitored entrance. Texans, guess that explains it, though I don’t get it.

But you know, this was all so inevitable. Allowing the assault weapons ban to expire was another political abomination. Add to that our adulation with violence in movies and video games, we’ve turned it into a game that only impacts others, so why give a damn.

Then trumpian hate mongering of the past six years, and GOP’s Gingrich inspired hate-on for politics of a constructive kind - into a scorched, Earth winner take all, Class War to the death, that Republicans seem to have committed themselves to.

Our generation has had a front row seat to watching American the Hollywood nation devolve into a sociopathic mess. A house so viciously divided can’t survive. So heart breaking. Universe I’m so glad to have all this land around me and not stuck in some big city.

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I heard someone had just propped it open. This is typical of locked down buildings. People need to take out the trash, or other basic daily functions. I hope they don’t release the name of the person who did it. It’s not really their fault.

The Constitution grants “the right to bear arms”.
The Constitution also demands a “well-regulated militia”.

Being that currently gun ownership is not regulated in any way, the right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution.

So let us make the “right to bear arms” contingent on 'well regulation" as required by the Constitution!

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We can barely get simple legislation passed. Stuff that needs a simple majority. Corporate power has usurped our democracy using basic math.

88% of people think we should do background checks. So, using emotional appeals, they convinced nearly half of the people that any gun legislation will lead to eventual erosion of basic rights. That 88% is no longer a majority voting block. Democrat leaders have no idea how to play this game.

It wasn’t congress that started the environmental movement or ended the war in Vietnam. It was a bunch of kids.

That is because we use the wrong approach. We always begin with a restriction which is then struck down. That approach does not work.

What we need is a court order to execute restrictions on gun ownership in order to comply with the Constitutional requirements of gun ownership.

This needs to be presented directly to the SCOTUS as an urgent and immediate need for constitutional clarification.

All that the SCOTUS has to affirm is the necessity of reasonable “regulation” that ensures the safety of both the armed and unarmed citizenry.

That would override the instant rejection on the basis of “rights” without “responsibility”.

We might have been able to do that 50 years ago, but it won’t happen today. We can’t even get an investigation into Thomas’s wife

This is an American problem the land with more guns than people. It always goes the same way outrage anger and then silence these last two will be no different the answer is always the same more guns. How that working out? 213 mass shooting this year and its not half over. Can’t fix it no one wants to give up their guns. Many more mass shooting to come I feel bad for all those who have and will die. The second amendment was to over throw the federal Government by states not to arm yourself to the teeth. But no one will listen and it will continue.

That is how it was for a long time. Soldiers left their guns on the battlefield. Hunters kept them locked away unless they were hunting. It’s far from “no one” who wants to give up their guns. There is a small minority that owns many weapons and they have worked over the recent decades to get others to believe that having them is some sort of god-given right, and I mean that literally.

It is part of the strategy of those who make the laws, that is, the people with money, not the ones with the Constitutional powers. They have been working on finding everyone who distrusts government and building coalitions that give them small wins. That has created the 50/50 Senate and made the government almost powerless.

Those are the words that prevent anything from being done!!!

No one will be required to give up their guns.

All we want to do is make sure that the person holding a gun is able and qualified to hold his finger on the button of mass destruction and that certain guns are only designed for military use, where killing power is maximized.

Should a person be permitted to carry a fully automated machine gun? If your answer is yes, the question is , why and in defense of what?

Because the constitution allows anyone to own any type of gun? How about plastic guns? Does the prohibition on plastic guns deny gun ownership to the general public?

Is a firearm illegal if it is made of plastic?

It is unlawful for any person to produce a firearm as proscribed in 18 U.S.C. 922(p).

 "It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive any firearm—

(A) that, after removal of grips, stocks, and magazines, is not as detectable as the Security Exemplar, by walk-through metal detectors calibrated and operated to detect the Security Exemplar; or

(B) any major component of which, when subjected to inspection by the types of x-ray machines commonly used at airports, does not generate an image that accurately depicts the shape of the component. Barium sulfate or other compounds may be used in the fabrication of the component."
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/firearm-illegal-if-it-made-plastic

The Constitution specifically instructs that guns are only to be held in accordance to certain regulations that make gun ownership a precious well-regulated responsibility, not a deadly children’s game.

GOPers ought to be familiar with “The Slippery Slope”. They executed it well on abortion - first who, then where, then when, and now “Poof!”

Yes, women who have an abortion are now murderers, but an 18 year old who wants to buy a gun to kill 21 people is guaranteed that right?

Especially if they are Black or Latino people. :rage:

Probably not a factor. The authorities in the town seem to be mostly Texicans.

Remember the same thing happened at the Douglass high school shooting — police were scared to enter the school, but they were White and most students were White.

This is about lousy cops.

It may be more a matter of under armed cops and over armed crazies.

All this talk of cops not doing their jobs, of investigations into their response, is bogus. Republicans know this and won’t say anything. Democrats know it, but are afraid to say it out loud. They need to maintain the “protect and serve” illusion. Cops are there to keep the poor in line, to protect businesses and commerce. There is nothing in the Constitution about it.

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Fortunately, we have guns!