Natural Selection Is Teleological= Therefore Self-Contradicting

There’s more, I wrote an essay about it awhile back with links to a whole bunch of terms. I’m sharing it simply to point, I know from personal experience that there is tons of information out there to answer these questions you’re proposing, with your a one-sided conviction that no one can answer them and an attitude of self-certitude which makes you disinterested in any response or answers that you are offered, unless they line up with your JW inspired (?) preconception.

What you are engaging in is a Political Style Debate, not a Constructive Science Style Debate where honesty is a prerequisite. Learning is not your goal, that makes me sad.

 

Pageant of Earth's Evolution (in 24hr) part one List of all the links used in my Pageant of Evolution part two, along with their titles.

¶ 1 …
the first half = Pageant of Earth’s Evolution (in 24hr) part one
pageant of Evolution = video_The Emergence of Life on Earth, Robert Hazen, March 15, 2012
first = Paper_Nick Lane: Unearthing the First Cellular Innovations
enduring Life = video, How Energy Flow Shapes The Evolution of Life, Nick Lane, Feb 14, 2018
about 4 hours = video_The Origin of Cellular Life on Earth, Jack Szostak, 2012
claw together = How life evolved: 10 steps to the first cells
existence = Earliest evidence of life on Earth ‘found’ ……By Pallab Ghosh, BBC News,1 March 2017
simple = Archaea, Wiki article
protective sacks = The first cell membranes, Deamer, et al, 2002
harsh environment. = Paper_Early Earth Had a Hazy, Methane-filled Atmosphere

¶ 2 …
Evolution progressed = video_Inevitable Life?, Eric Smith, Professor, Santa Fe Institute, April 18, 2007
very slowly - Why Did Earth Have a Poison-Filled “Boring Billion” Years?, Rebecca Kessler, Feb 25, 2011
hostile environment = video_How Oxygen Can Alter Evolution and Adaptation of Life in the Ocean, Erik Sperling
limited means, = Iron toxicity for cyanobacteria delayed oxygen accumulation in early Earth’s atmosphere, Swanner et al. 2015
stifled further development. = Earth’s ‘boring billion’ years of stagnant, stinking oceans might actually have been rather dynamic, by Simon Poulton
key early scientific breakthrough = Philosophy of Cell Biology, 2019
perspective, = Story of Dr. Peter Mitchell, biochemistry, chemiosmotic theory, bioenergetics.
environment = Chapter 5: THE LIVING ENVIRONMENT, project2061.org, American Association for the Advancement of Science

¶ 3 …
geology and biology = paper_The co-evolution of Life and Earth, Dietrich et al. 2017
combining forces =Geology Intersects Biology, Laura Levis
process and tame = paper_The timetable of evolution, May 17, 2017
to the point that = Integrated records of environmental change and evolution challenge the Cambrian Explosion
descendants = = Archaea: Morphology, ucmp.berkeley.edu
had the means = video_How Energy Flow Shapes The Evolution of Life - Professor Nick Lane
Developing environments = Poster_Earth Evolution, intersection of Geology and Biology, May 19, 2017
changing conditions = Life: Evolution and Extinction, WGBH
ocean = Oceans Through Time, ocean.si.edu
atmosphere = The earth’s original atmosphere, atmo.arizona.edu/students
spectacular innovations and expansion = video_Animal Dawn - Dr. Diego Garcia-Bellido, 2016

¶ 4 …
geology taught biology = Geobiology - Life Emergent, Helen Hill, 2014
building blocks = paper_The evolution of geobiology in the context of living stromatolites, Spear, Corsetti, 2013
forcing it to adapt = Tempo And Mode In Evolution: Genetics And Paleontology 50 Years After Simpson.
changing conditions = Evolution Of The Atmosphere: Composition, Structure And Energy, globalchange.umich.edu
repurposed = How skates and rays got their wings, University of Chicago Medical Center, 2015
genetic heritage = The Concept of Co-option: Why Evolution Often Looks Miraculous, McLennan, 2008
body parts = paper_Developmental-Genetic Toolkit for Evolutionary Developmental Biology, Schneider, Amemiya, Dec 2016
modifications made = The Continuing Evolution of Genes, Zimmer, 2014
learned to thrive = What is biodiversity?, Lenne, 2019
brave new environments = Reciprocality between biology and geology: Reconstructing polar Gondwana, Michaux, 2009

¶5
increasing interaction = ‘Evo-devo’ biology tackles evolutionary history’s unanswered questions, Indiana University, 2014
stuff of competition = paper_Rethinking Early Evolution: Earth’s Earliest Animal Ecosystem Was Complex And Included Sexual Reproduction, University of California - Riverside, 2008
working together = paper_The Evolution of Evo-Devo Biology, Goodman, Coughlin, 2000
ecology = video_The Ediacaran Period: Glimpses of the Earth’s Earliest Animals, Calla Carbone, 2016
outlines of today’s world = video_The origins of Ecdysozoan body plans, Martin Smith, 2017

¶6
variations on those themes = Fossils of the Cambrian Period, fossilmuseum.net
plate tectonics = video_Ancient Landscapes of the Colorado Plateau, Wayne Ranney, 2015
climate = Earth’s Earliest Climate, Angela M. Hessler, 2011
celestial = Bombardment of the early Solar System, Nature Geoscience, July 2013
influences = Milankovitch Cycles, OpenSourceSystems.foundation.us

¶7
Paleozoic Era = video_The Hidden Secrets of the Ordovician Age, Richard Smith, Oct 21, 2014
old life = Paleozoic Era, Palaeos Paleozoic: The Paleozoic Era
Ordovician Period = Ordovician Period, earth.usc.edu
Jostling = video_1.5 billion years of Plate Tectonics, C.R. Scotese, Oct 1, 2017
first plants = video_How plants crawled out of the sea, Oct 5, 2015
on land = The first conquerors of land, Vasika Udurawane, EarthArchives.org
converged around the South Pole = 50 years ago, an Antarctic fossil pointed to Gondwanaland’s existence, Maria Temming, 2019
killer ice age = paper_The Magnitude and Duration of Late Ordovician–Early Silurian Glaciation, February 11, 2011

¶8
Silurian Period = The Silurian - 443 to 417 Million Years Ago, Paleoportal.org
diversifying species = paper_Diversity Dynamics of Silurian–Early Carboniferous Land Plants in South China, September 20, 2013

¶9
Devonian Period = Devonian Period, Ohio History Central
18 minutes = The First Forests, DevonianTimes.org
continents aligning = paper_On the sensitivity of the Devonian climate to continental configuration, vegetation cover and insolation, Brugger et al., 2018
Pangea = Facts About Pangaea the Most Recent Supercontinent
seeds = Seed Evolution Webpage, seedbiology.de

¶10
Pangea = Coal formation linked to assembly of supercontinent Pangea, Nelsen et al., 2016

tectonics = 1.5 billion years of Plate Tectonics, C.R. Scotese, Oct 1, 2017
poisoned the ocean = What caused Earth’s biggest mass extinction?, Hannah Hickey, Dec 6, 2018
refugees = Why Did Life Move to Land? For the View, Jennifer Ouellette, March 7, 2017
explore = Evolution and Function of Freshwater Ecosystems, Pokorný P.
systems = Book_Freshwater Fishes: 250 Million Years of Evolutionary History
land habitats = Evolution: Out Of The Sea, Christie Wilcox, July 28, 2012

¶11
Carboniferous Period = Plants Cover The Earth, fossils-facts-and-finds.com
a big deal = paper_Formation of most of our coal brought Earth close to global glaciation, Georg Feulner, 2017
35% oxygen = The Age of Oxygen (400 MYA to 290 MYA), Smithsonian Institution
land soaked it in = Coal formation linked to assembly of supercontinent Pangea, Ker Than, Jan 20, 2016
insects = Video_ The Age of Giant Insects, PBS Eons, Sep 18, 2017
giants = Why Giant Bugs Once Roamed the Earth, By Ker Than, August 9, 2011
plants = Early Plant Life, LumenLearning.com
forests = The First Forests, Sedeer el-Showk, July 08, 2013
egg = Eggs and Their Evolution, stanford.edu

¶12
biota = A hidden cradle of plant evolution in Permian tropical lowlands, Blomenkemper, 2018
for 15 minutes = Permian to Triassic, British Geologic Survey,

¶13
like none other = End-Permian extinction, which wiped out most of Earth’s species, was instantaneous in geological time, by Jennifer Chu, Sept. 19, 2018
melted into sills = paper_Initial pulse of Siberian Traps sills as the trigger of the end-Permian mass extinction, Burgess et al., 2017

¶14
Siberian Traps = Earth’s worst extinction “inescapably” tied to Siberian Traps, CO2, and climate change, Howard Lee, October 14, 2015
So ended = Siberian Traps likely culprit for end-Permian extinction, Jennifer Chu, Sept 16, 2015

¶15
Mesozoic = The Mesozoic Era, palaeos.com
middle life = The Mesozoic Era IV: Flowers and Mammals, University of Maryland, Tholtz, 2011
begins = The Triassic Period: the rise of the dinosaurs, Josh Davis, August 27, 2019
Triassic Period = Reptiles Inherit The Earth, fossils-facts-and-finds.com
didn’t miss a beat = paper_Life in the Aftermath of Mass Extinctions, Pincelli Hull, Oct. 5, 2015
noteworthy = Closing Romer’s Gap: The story so far, National Museums Scotland
adaptations = The origin of tetrapods, Evolution.Berkeley.edu
tetrapods = The Basic Groups of Tetrapods Evolved - Lecture 9, EESC.columbia.edu,
four feet = Tetrapod Triumph! Solving Mystery Of First Land Vertebrates, By Gemma Tarlach, Dec 5, 2016
who = Paleobiology of the Mesozoic Era, FossilMuseum.net
differentiated = video_Wings, Legs, and Fins: How Do New Organs Arise in Evolution?, Neil Shubin, 2009
amphibians = The evolution of Amphibians: The Conquest of Land, David López Bosch, July 2015
reptiles = The genesis of reptiles and the amniotic egg, ReptileEvolution.com
dinosaurs = How Did Dinosaurs Evolve?, Bob Strauss, April 18, 2018
mammal-like reptiles = The Stem-Mammals–a Brief Primer, Darren Naish, Sept 20, 2016
bird = Earliest Beginnings Of Bird Evolution Brought Into Focus With New DNA Analysis, AllAboutBirds.com Oct 5, 2015
lineages = Origin and Evolution of Birds, UntamedScience.com
Plants = The evolution of plants part 4: A tale of flowers and seeds, Vasika Udurawane
new heights = video_How did plants become forests during the Carboniferous?, Benjamin Burger, Nov 7, 2015
scaled down = Reign of the giant insects ended with the evolution of birds, Tim Stephens, June 04, 2012
did = paper_A bottom-up perspective on ecosystem change in Mesozoic oceans, Knoll, Follows, 2016
ocean Life = Greenhouse World and The Mesozoic Oceans, Takashima et al., 2006

¶16
Pangea = Breakup of supercontinent Pangea cooled mantle and thinned crust, University of Texas at Austin, Dec 2016
now breaking up = paper_Quantifying the effects of the break up of Pangaea on global terrestrial diversification with neutral theory, Jordan 2016
decimating = Life between extinctions: cracking open the Cretaceous period, Katie Kline, Mar 25, 2010
Triassic Period = 3.4.3. Triassic-Jurassic Boundary, ldeo.columbia.edu
biota = Triassic Period, GeologyPage.com, April 7, 2014
reptiles = Ancestral Reptiles of the Carboniferous and Permian Periods, ThoughtCo.com
Survivors included dinosaurs = Decade of fossil collecting gives new perspective on Triassic period, emergence of dinosaurs, University of Washington, March 28, 2018
Jurassic Period = Jurassic Period, ScienceViews.com
critters = The Evolution of the First Mammals, Bob Strauss, June 24, 2019
Cretaceous Period= What can the Cretaceous tell us about our climate?, Philip Pika, August 20, 2018
Mammal-like = Synapsid, Wikipedia
diversifying = Two studies, two answers: When exactly did mammals emerge?, Brad Balukjian, Aug 7, 2013
Flowers = paper_Evolving Ideas on the Origin and Evolution of Flowers: New Perspectives in the Genomic Era, Andre S. Chanderbali, et al., 2016
fruit = 26.1C: Evolution of Angiosperms, LibreTexts, Nov, 19,2019
reptiles = The First Reptiles, ThoughtCo.com
amphibians = Cretaceous Amphibians, Western Australian Museum, 2014

¶17
a well aimed = Fossil Site Reveals Day That Meteor Hit Earth and, Maybe, Wiped Out Dinosaurs, Broad and, Chang, March 29, 2019
space rock crashed into = The Impact That Wiped Out the Dinosaurs, Hartmann, Planetary Science Institute
Mesozoic Era = The Mesozoic era, AustralianMuseum.net

¶18
eventually recovered = How long did it take for life to rebound after the death of the dinosaurs?, Sarah Kaplan, Nov. 7, 2016
survivors = Placental Mammals Originated On Earth 65 Million Years Ago, Carnegie Museum of Natural History, June 21, 2007
Cenozoic = Cenozoic Era, University of Kansas
new life = The Cenozoic, Palaeos.com

¶19
genetic toolkit = paper_Developmental-Genetic Toolkit for Evolutionary Developmental Biology, Schneider, Amemiya, Dec 2016
adaptations and diversification = Misconceptions about evolution, berkley.edu
modern = Rising fast: the first trees, EarthHistory.org.uk
forests = Tracing the evolution of forest trees, Marlene Cimons, Nov 2014
grasslands = How did grasses alter Earth’s ecosystem?, Caroline Strőmberg, June 8, 2015
mammals = Flowering plants, new teeth and no dinosaurs: New study sheds light on the rise of mammals, University of Washington, May 1, 2019
how to exploit = The idiosyncratic mammalian diversification after extinction of the dinosaurs, Peter Moon, Dec 21, 2018

¶20
primates = The First Primates, Palomar.edu
first hominids = Infographic_Human Evolution: A Timeline of Early Hominids, EarthHow.com, Sept 2, 2018
modern humans - Homo sapiens – modern humans, Fran Dorey, 11/12/18
appeared = World History Timelines - Mapping Two Million Years of Humanity, K. Kris Hirst, August 31, 2019
6 seconds = Human History Timeline, humanhistorytimeline.com

¶21
past milliseconds = book_The Timetables of History: A Horizontal Linkage of People and Events, Based on Werner Stein’s Kulturfahrplan, Bernard Grun
learned = The Evolution of Philosophy, Christopher J. Wills, Sept 2012
reflect = Abbreviated and simplified history of Western Philosophy, PhilosophyBasics.com
masters of science = Timeline of scientific discoveries, From Wikipedia
manipulating the physical world = How Are We Changing the Physical Environment of Earth’s Surface?, NAP.edu

¶22
We know much = The Birth of Modern Science, TheGreatCoursesDaily.com
but understand next to nothing = The missing key to Stephen Gould’s Nonoverlapping Magisteria, citizenschallenge.blogspot.com
demonstrated by = “Overdevelopment, Overpopulation, Overshoot” PopulationSpeakOut.org
(*) = DeepEcology.org
wanton destruction = Powerful new map depicts environmental degradation across Earth, by Michael Miller, Nov 19, 2018

¶23
Humanity’s gluttonous = The Evolution of Human Gluttony, Nathan Lents, Sept 20, 2014
self-serving = paper_Human Domination of Earth’s Ecosystems, Vitouse et al. 1997,
inflicting reckless damages = Rate of environmental degradation puts life on Earth at risk, say scientists, Oliver Milman, Jan 15, 2015
like never before = Human impact has pushed Earth into the Anthropocene, scientists say, Adam Vaughan, Jan 7, 2016

injecting ever more = How we measure background CO2 levels on Mauna Loa, Earth System Research Laboratory, NOAA
insulating CO2 = CO2 Science - Blue team: "Pruitt, it’s certain as certain gets! It’s the physics! Don’t you know???, ConfrontingScienceContrarians, citizenschallenge
carbonic-acid = The Chemistry of Ocean Acidification, PMEL.NOAA.gov
since the triggers = The Great Permian Extinction: When all life on Earth almost vanish, Jackson Chambers, 2016

¶24
Not much = Peter, why are you an Earth Centrist?
there will be consequences = FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT, nca2018.globalchange.gov
Mother Earth = Our Changing Biosphere, serc.carleton.edu

The links can be found at, https://confrontingsciencecontrarians.blogspot.com/2019/12/pageant-of-earth-evolution-in-24hr-part.html
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I suggest you read the post again. The 1% is not the probability of a new species evolving from its parent but the probability of a minute beneficial mutation appearing. Following the theory of evolution, it is an accumulation of minute mutations over a large period of time that brings about a new species. One has to define what is beneficial.
Okay, I misunderstood what you meant. But it doesn't matter, your general theme is the same and my answers will remain the same. You are saying that things don't exist, that do, like fossil records. You are using a technique of argumentation known as "Gish gallop". You ask a lot of questions and make a lot of points, then don't respond to the responses. You are not trying to either educate or learn, just score points. I won't be participating in this. Write4U is a smart guy. I'd suggest you try to engage with him. Respectfully.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/28/world/early-human-skull-discovery-australopithecus-anamensis-scn/index.html

Almost 4 million years ago, homo sapiens were a gleam in this fellow’s eyes.

Say hello to Australopithecus Anamensis, from whom Lucy, Australopithecus Afarensis, evolved.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=kOlSFM3W&id=F39B9731FF55FB34755A1D7029F7F52F301C5828&thid=OIP.kOlSFM3WcSDDisQeJi6WEQHaJI&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.debate.org%2fphotos%2falbums%2f1%2f4%2f3421%2f22568-3421-s6v9g-a.jpg&exph=628&expw=509&q=intermediate+human+species&simid=608029886935075843&ck=577FF29CC1964DE312A4F06C157EF335&selectedIndex=48&ajaxhist=0

And here is a chart, showing a relative of this fellow’s skull at the bottom, homo sapien’s at the top, and intermediate humans in between.

Here is Lucy (A. Afarensis)

She is believed to have evolved from the guy pictured above, the A. Anamensis.

 

Let’s go back another few million years to see who A. Anamensis came from.

Almost looks like a chimp. Huh? It’s not.

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis

6 or 7 Million years ago, this is what there was that would evolve in to homo sapiens.

But TWM said:

The fossil record contains zero intermediate fossils or rejected intermediates. Every creature disappears as it appears on the fossil record no transition whatsoever.
TWM was wrong. The different intermediate humans who Homo Sapiens came from DID have transition periods where there were some who were contemporaries for many thousands of years or more.

And now there is Danuvius guggenmosi (fossils of an ape from11.6 million years ago found in Germany) who may have been an ancestor of both modern apes and homo sapiens.

https://www.utoronto.ca/news/u-t-researcher-co-leads-study-finds-new-human-ancestor-earliest-evidence-walking-two-legs

 

There most certainly is. I have posted it before , but I won’t let you ignore it, so I’ll post it again. Pay attention! Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes by Alec MacAndrew

Let us re-iterate what we find on human chromosome 2. Its centromere is at the same place as the chimpanzee chromosome 2p as determined by sequence similarity. Even more telling is the fact that on the 2q arm of the human chromosome 2 is the unmistakable remains of the original chromosome centromere of the common ancestor of human and chimp 2q chromosome, at the same position as the chimp 2q centromere (this structure in humans no longer acts as a centromere for chromosome 2.

Conclusion The evidence that human chromosome 2 is a fusion of two of the common ancestor’s chromosomes is overwhelming.


What you are presenting is comparative anatomy, it is highly ambiguous and subjective. One can come up with almost any interpretation from the evidence. What you have at the most is similarities between chromosomes not evidence of evolution. But let’s take it further.

o Evolutionists say that the difference between man and chimp DNA is 1.5 %.

o Let’s give the unknown common ancestor of man and chimp the same value.

o When we hear that there is a 1.5% difference between man and X it seems not to be much. But we must take into account what 1.5% exactly means.

o If there are three billion base pairs [DNA] in a human 1.5% calculates to 45 million base pairs or 15 million codons.

o During 2012 scientists reported that 1% of DNA codes for proteins. So 1% of 15M codons are 150K codons.

o Is it possible that 150k amino acids can line up in the right order to ensure functional proteins?

o Let’s make the number smaller. Let’s analyze 0.001 of 150k = 150 amino acids.

o What is the probability of getting 150 amino acids to line up in the right order?

o 20 possible amino acids, 150 amino acid long. = 20^150 = 1x10^195.

o That is 150 codons 450 nucleotides, from 30M nucleotides.

o 1% of the 3B base pairs code for proteins, = 30 million base pairs.

§ A 450 nucleotide mutation equals a 0.000015% mutation of 30M base pairs.

o Anything greater than 10^20 is considered a mathematical impossibility.

§ 16 amino acids lining up in the right order is 20^16 = 6.55x10^20. = 16 amino acids = 48 nucleotides =1.6 X10^-6 or 0.0000016% mutation of 30M base pairs. = Mathematically impossible.

§ Mathematical impossibilities do not exist.

Natural Selection does not serve a purpose except “affording” the better adapted organism a survival advantage. “Selection” in this context has nothing to do with purposeful selection of beneficial traits. Natural selection is a probabilistic mathematical process and as such is very much self-reinforcing over time, instead of self-contradicting. Natural Selection, noun the process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring. The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.
Evolution is the effect, NS is the cause. Can anyone point to the cause? Been reading a lot about the cause, but no one has pointed it out in action.
Every fossil found was a intermediate. You are an intermediate human. How many fossils of the billions of human which have roamed the earth the past 5 million years have you found? You do realize that biological organisms decay and disintegrate after death. Open a 200 year old grave and you’ll find “nothing”. Everything has been recycled and some of your molecules may reside in the rose growing above your grave.
Rather funny, the evolutionist claims there exists overwhelming evidence in the fossil record for evolution but cannot produce one transitional. What is the claim based on? Science or faith. These are not statements of science but testimonials of faith. But what do we have in the fossil record? Species disappearing as they appeared on the fossil record. Nothing transitional. Everything disappeared as it appeared. Now since no transitional has been found, everything is transitional.
The remaining fossil are right and clearly show a gradual morphology. We can conclude that Darwin was fundamentally correct in spite of the lack of modern excavation equipment and knowledge of biology itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
You can pile it as high as you want. I don’t have to prove it all wrong, all I have to do is prove one wrong.

Homo erectus. Smaller in size than the average human, with a smaller brain and head size. But note the brain size is within the rage of humans today, possessing the same middle ear anatomy. Their remains have been found in the same strata or close to the strata as Homo sapiens.

Neanderthal: The DNA compatibility between humans including races is about 99.8% – 99.5% depending on which study one is reading.

At about 3.2 billion base pairs the Neanderthal genome is similar in size to modern humans with an estimated 99.7% compatibility. The “Neanderthal” is human and a descendent of Adam.

What is then the explanation for the differences between human and Neanderthal bones? It has to do with the environment. Two rules are used to describe the relationship between the size and shape of extremities and trunk anatomy.

Bergmann’s rule states that human populations that live near the poles are on average heavier than populations of mid-latitudes.

Allen’s rule states that to conserve heat a member of a species would have shorter limbs than their equivalent from warmer climates.

Note the Eskimo and Aleut have narrow nasal passages, large heads, large jaws, relatively large bodies with shorter limbs. Since Neanderthals lived close to the arctic you would expect this. Notice that Neanderthals from SW Asia have larger limbs than Neanderthals from Ice Age Europe.

Whoever wrote that page did not do their homework.

Use of all these techniques has enabled paleontologists to discover much of the evolutionary history of life, almost all the way back to when Earth became capable of supporting life, about 3.8 billion years ago. As knowledge has increased, paleontology has developed specialised sub-divisions, some of which focus on different types of fossil organisms while others study ecology and environmental history, such as ancient climates… Body fossils and trace fossils are the principal types of evidence about ancient life, and geochemical evidence has helped to decipher the evolution of life before there were organisms large enough to leave body fossils. Estimating the dates of these remains is essential but difficult: sometimes adjacent rock layers allow radiometric dating, which provides absolute dates that are accurate to within 0.5%, but more often paleontologists have to rely on relative dating by solving the “jigsaw puzzles” of biostratigraphy (arrangement of rock layers from youngest to oldest). Classifying ancient organisms is also difficult, as many do not fit well into the Linnaean taxonomy classifying living organisms, and paleontologists more often use cladistics to draw up evolutionary “family trees”.

 

The final quarter of the 20th century saw the development of molecular phylogenetics, which investigates how closely organisms are related by measuring the similarity of the DNA in their genomes. Molecular phylogenetics has also been used to estimate the dates when species diverged, but there is controversy about the reliability of the molecular clock on which such estimates depend.If TOE is true ……


More science free testimonials.

A theory of everything (TOE[1] or ToE), final theory, ultimate theory, or master theory is a hypothetical single, all-encompassing, coherent theoretical framework of physics that fully explains and links together all physical aspects of the universe.[2]:6 Finding a TOE is one of the major unsolved problems in physics.
I read up on the theory of everything, it is more an evolutionist bedtime story than anything else. The scientific method is an orderly method used by scientists to solve problems, in which a recognized problem is subjected to a thorough investigation, and the resulting facts and observations are analyzed, formulated in the hypothesis, and subjected to verification by means of experiments and further observation. No theory of origins can be proved scientifically because the essence of the scientific method is observation and experimentation. One does not have to be a scientist to know that the origin of species cannot be observed or put to experiment since it is not happening in the present.
I have a feeling that you are trying to address “abiogenesis”, which is the emergence of living biology from mineral chemistry. You may want to watch this excellent lecture by Robert Hazen
Did you watch this in its entirety? Nowhere does the narrator credit minerals as the source of life, at most he states they played a role in the origin. No one is debating that. Let’s keep it simple, cause, and effect, = what is found in the effect is always found in cause. You cannot give what you do not have. Life can only come from life. Louis Pasteur proved that life cannot arise from nonlife but still Darwinist insists that it happened but have no evidence for it.
My testimonial was about our perceptions. I wonder if you’ve ever thought about where your perceptions and biases comes from? You might give it a try.
Logical and reasonable conclusion based on observation and experiment. That is the scientific method.
Then you seem to contradict t yourself – “it’s not about whether Natural Selection has been observed” Followed by a challenge to provide some examples. Your’s is a hollow challenge made for effect – not in the interest of learning. I can say this because all you need to do is Google the term and a flood of evidence on every level from bones, to DNA, appears for your personal edification. You choose to play stupid, as though that doesn’t information exist. What can we infer from your obvious disinterest to investigate your own beliefs, that’s disingenuous game playing.
Easy with the stupid terms, I hear the mods get upset about disrespect. As to what you are proposing as evidence of NS is not evidence of NS. It is cause and effect. The effect is evolution, the cause is descent with modification through NS. The effect we see, but no one can point to the cause. But since you claim there is overwhelming observable evidence of NS in action please post it.
Also the term “Transitional Fossil” is a bit of a misnomer because creatures are always changing, they are always transitioning from something towards some towards something else, since the environment keeps changing and evolution is all about keep up with the environment.
Creatures are always changing, the finches beaks do change, but these creatures do not evolve into new species; they always remain the same kind. Note, every creature that disappeared from the fossil record, disappeared as it appeared. Nothing transitional exist.
pssst, though if you wanted to learn I’ve got a collection of fascinating video to help you understanding, what you are currently missing about his ‘debate’:
psst, I don’t do anyone’s homework. If you think you have something here of importance to show, write your synopsis of the video, [how your point is proven] and I will watch it.
There’s more, I wrote an essay about it awhile back with links to a whole bunch of terms. I’m sharing it simply to point, I know from personal experience that there is tons of information out there to answer these questions you’re proposing, with your a one-sided conviction that no one can answer them and an attitude of self-certitude which makes you disinterested in any response or answers that you are offered, unless they line up with your JW inspired (?) preconception.
Again with the disrespect, I am not a JW. TWM is a Biblical term, maybe you should educate yourself on that before you write.
What you are engaging in is a Political Style Debate, not a Constructive Science Style Debate where honesty is a prerequisite. Learning is not your goal, that makes me sad.
Learning what? Pseudoscience? Read back on this thread and pick out any response to me that contains true science. Let’s make it simple, anything found in nature.

Here is the problem with your creation model.

Any true science model is observable, repeatable, and described with terms found in nature or science. This is what is missing from your creation model.

Any theory of descent with modification through NS is one long argument and not science. The same observation can be made of models used by major religions. Either Theistic creation or Darwinism is self-evident in nature; no supporter of either can say “Look here and see”. There are no experiments, no equations. Everything is in words {testimony} persuasion, revisualization, analogies. Religious models of cause-and-effect have the same characteristic and operate in the same manner as Darwinist creation theories, using testimony.

Note Evolutionist terms vs terms found in nature.

Evolutionist True science.

Temperature Hot/ heat, cold given in either *F, *C. K

Distance Far, long, given in feet, meters, miles etc.

Time Billions of years given in hour, years, etc. with parameters.

Weight heavy, light given in lb, kg ect.

Volume large given in cubic feet ect.

Germs germ, virus, bacteria rabies, cholera ect.

And here is a chart, showing a relative of this fellow’s skull at the bottom, homo sapien’s at the top, and intermediate humans in between.
As stated before, I do not have to address every item in the chart, disproving one = invalidates the chart.

What characterizes a human in evolutionary terms? In evolutionary terms, humans are defined by

DNA.

Neanderthal: The DNA compatibility between humans including races is about 99.8% – 99.5% depending on which study one is reading.

At about 3.2 billion base pairs the Neanderthal genome is similar in size to modern humans with an estimated 99.7% compatibility. The “Neanderthal” is human and a descendent of Adam.

What is then the explanation for the differences between human and Neanderthal bones? It has to do with the environment. Two rules are used to describe the relationship between the size and shape of extremities and trunk anatomy.

Bergmann’s rule states that human populations that live near the poles are on average heavier than populations of mid-latitudes.

Allen’s rule states that to conserve heat a member of a species would have shorter limbs than their equivalent from warmer climates.

Note the Eskimo and Aleut have narrow nasal passages, large heads, large jaws, relatively large bodies with shorter limbs. Since Neanderthals lived close to the arctic you would expect this. Notice that Neanderthals from SW Asia have larger limbs than Neanderthals from Ice Age Europe.

BRAIN SIZE

Normal brain size varies from 800cc to 2200cc; brain size is not an indication of intelligence. For example, Neanderthal man has a bigger brain cavity but is considered lower on the evolutionary scale. It seems that brain size only matters when it is used to support evolution.

Homo erectus. Smaller in size than the average human, with a smaller brain and head size. But note the brain size is within the rage of humans today, possessing the same middle ear anatomy. Their remains have been found in the same strata or close to the strata as Homo sapiens.

ABILITY TO WALK UPRIGHT

The ability to walk upright is unique to humans because of their vertebral column, hip joint, and knee. Also important is the ability to balance oneself when upright. CAT scans were performed on Australopithecus [southern ape], which are fossils that were found in Africa. The evolutionists claim that they are the closest to the common ancestor that humans and chimps have. The CAT scans revealed that the semicircular canals of the ears resemble those of the great apes, which do not walk upright.

ABILITY TO USE TOOLS

Cro-Magnon man lived in huts, in communities, paved their floors with stones, constructed kilns, and had tools made of ivory, bone, and flint.

She is believed to have evolved from the guy pictured above, the A.
Lucy was constructed from a collection of bones that was only twenty percent of the total. The knee was found 200 ft below the bones it supposedly belonged to. There is not enough data to support the Lucy hypothesis. But here is the damaging part, which goes to credibility. As to the hip the anterior portion of the iliac blade faces laterally in humans = a posterior-anterior alignment allowing us to walk upright. In chimpanzees it faces more posterior-anterior = a lateral medial alignment, this forces the chimp to walk on four legs. Lucy’s iliac blade faces more posterior-anterior = a lateral medial alignment similar to that of a chimp. Lucy is a primate, not an upright walking transitional fossil. But you will not read that in any evolutionist publication.

God Bless

TWM

As stated before, I do not have to address every item in the chart, disproving one = invalidates the chart. --TWM
I don't think you have to address everything either, but one error in science does not invalidate the science, chart, theory, or otherwise. This is why I'm not trying to engage you on the science. You don't understand what science is. Until you can fix that, we can't get started.
This is why I’m not trying to engage you on the science. You don’t understand what science is. Until you can fix that, we can’t get started.
Nicely said Lausten.

This video gives a nice tour of transitional fossils that have been found and described.

 

A Skeptical Human - Apr 2, 2019 - Debunking Creationism: "Transitional Fossils Don't Exist!"

Creationists mistakenly claim that no transitional fossils exist.

There are actually many such examples, illustrating evolutionary change taking place in organisms ranging from whales to turtles to fish to horses to dinosaurs.

Creationists also have many misconceptions about the fossil record and apply a double standard to evolution vs their religious beliefs.

Here, I also address the idea of “the missing link” in human evolution and debunk many creationist arguments made in this area.

TWM was wrong. The different intermediate humans who Homo Sapiens came from DID have transition periods where there were some who were contemporaries for many thousands of years or more. TIMB
Where is the evidence for these transitional periods? None exist in the fossil record.

Again = Following Darwinism to a logical conclusion in between the parent and the new creature are multiple intermediates in various stages of evolution alongside multiple variations that have been rejected, accumulating over millions of years. The number of intermediate variations good and bad should far outnumber the parent and the new creature. The modification in ‘descent through modification’ is the parts that are incomplete, the variations that are accumulating over millions of years. So a gradually created new creature would appear on the fossil record 1% formed gradually increasing till 100% formed over millions of years alongside multiply rejected variations. The fossil record contains zero intermediate fossils or rejected intermediates. We should be tripping over them but the only thing that has been found since Darwin are species that disappear as they appeared in the fossil record. What you keep posting is someone’s science free interpretation of the data.

Almost looks like a chimp. Huh? It’s not. 6 or 7 Million years ago, this is what there was that would evolve in to homo sapiens. TIMB
It is cause and effect. The effect is evolution, the cause is descent with modification through NS. What everyone keeps presenting is evidence of the effect but no evidence of the cause. I prefer to discuss things from the point of origin. If the physical changes did take place, they would be the result of mutations in the DNA. Have you ever considered the possibility of chimp and man evolving from a common ancestor?

 

What you are presenting is comparative anatomy, it is highly ambiguous and subjective. One can come up with almost any interpretation from the evidence. What you have at the most is similarities between chromosomes not evidence of evolution. But let’s take it further.

Evolutionists say that the difference between man and chimp DNA is 1.5 %.

Let’s give the unknown common ancestor of man and chimp the same value.

When we hear that there is a 1.5% difference between man and X it seems not to be much. But we must take into account what 1.5% exactly means.

If there are three billion base pairs [DNA] in a human 1.5% calculates to 45 million base pairs or 15 million codons.

During 2012 scientists reported that 1% of DNA codes for proteins. So 1% of 15M codons are 150K codons.

Is it possible that 150k amino acids can line up in the right order to ensure functional proteins?

Let’s make the number smaller. Let’s analyze 0.001 of 150k = 150 amino acids.

What is the probability of getting 150 amino acids to line up in the right order?

20 possible amino acids, 150 amino acid long. = 20^150 = 1×10^195.

Anything greater than 10^20 is considered a mathematical impossibility.

That is 150 codons 450 nucleotides, from 30M nucleotides.

1% of the 3B base pairs code for proteins, = 30 million base pairs.

A 450 nucleotide mutation equals a 0.000015% mutation of 30M base pairs.

16 amino acids lining up in the right order is 20^16 = 6.55×10^20. = 16 amino acids = 48 nucleotides =1.6 X10^-6 or 0.0000016% mutation of 30M base pairs. = Mathematically impossible.

What you are proposing is a mathematical impossibility and mathematical impossibilities do not exist.

And now there is Danuvius guggenmosi (fossils of an ape from11.6 million years ago found in Germany) who may have been an ancestor of both modern apes and homo sapiens. https://www.utoronto.ca/news/u-t-researcher-co-leads-study-finds-new-human-ancestor-earliest-evidence-walking-two-legs TIMB
As to your link, did you bother to read it thoroughly? Here is what if find interesting. We have been discussing the criminal justice system on another thread. Hard evidence is key. Look at the third picture on the U of T page, everything in white is ‘reconstructed’ based on someone’s subjective interpretation of the bone fragments. Look at the fourth picture – if someone is on trial for murder would you convict based on the ratio of real vs subjective reconstructed evidence?
The ribcage was broad and flat, and the lower back was elongated; this helped to position the centre of gravity over extended hips, knees and flat feet, as in bipeds. U of T
Back to the third picture, notice there is no ribcage from which to conclude. Where is the lower back? There is none, and from the picture, it seems they have one upper and one mid vertebra. But the kicker is this, without the hip one cannot determine if it walked on four vs two. That is not science, it’s someone’s personal subjective interpretation of the data from a predetermined mindset. It would have been thrown out of court..

God Bless

TWM

A Skeptical Human – Apr 2, 2019 – Debunking Creationism: “Transitional Fossils Don’t Exist!”

Creationists mistakenly claim that no transitional fossils exist.

There are actually many such examples, illustrating evolutionary change taking place in organisms ranging from whales to turtles to fish to horses to dinosaurs.

Creationists also have many misconceptions about the fossil record and apply a double standard to evolution vs their religious beliefs.

Here, I also address the idea of “the missing link” in human evolution and debunk many creationist arguments made in this area. CITIZENSCH


That is comparative anatomy, it is highly ambiguous and subjective. One can come up with almost any interpretation from the fossil record. Within a species, there are so many variations that could be interpreted as different species. Let’s say that millions of years ago the horse and the dog went extinct, and we find several skeletons of each. The largest is the Clydesdale and the smallest the Falabella which is 17 inches tall. There is a difference in anatomy. Would they be considered the same species or two separate species? How about the Great Dane and a Chihuahua both different anatomy, would they be different species or the same? A true transitional series will show the parent species, the transitional series, and the new species.

I don’t think you have to address everything either, but one error in science does not invalidate the science, chart, theory, or otherwise. This is why I’m not trying to engage you on the science. You don’t understand what science is. Until you can fix that, we can’t get started. LAUSTEN
It goes to character and credibility. If I [who is not a paleontologist] can punch multiple holes in a paleontologist page proves either that person did not do their homework or is dishonest. As to the rest of your post, you seem to repeat the same theme over and over again. Simple an ad hominem attacks

Attacking the person making the argument rather than the argument itself when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making. This is usually the last position of ignorance knowing that it cannot compete with the intelligence and character of X, it is usually a sign of desperation on the part of the one insulting.

What you are presenting is comparative anatomy, it is highly ambiguous and subjective. One can come up with almost any interpretation from the evidence. What you have at the most is similarities between chromosomes not evidence of evolution.
The only interpretation you can arrive at is that humans and other great apes had a common ancestor and that the fusion of 2 ancestral chromosomes produced the emergence of Homo sapiens.
§ 16 amino acids lining up in the right order is 20^16 = 6.55×10^20. = 16 amino acids = 48 nucleotides =1.6 X10^-6 or 0.0000016% mutation of 30M base pairs. = Mathematically impossible.

§ Mathematical impossibilities do not exist.


Therefore, your mathematics are in error, not the science that says there is overwhelming evidence that man is a Great Ape. What’s wrong with that? All Life started with a single celled bacteria. All humans are a result of 3.5 billion years of Bio-Chemical Evolution via Natural Selection.

Ultimately, every physical object in the universe is a complex pattern of 3 fundamental sub-atomic particles.

Remember this timeless truth. There is no “irreducible complexity”.

Evolution is the effect, NS is the cause. Can anyone point to the cause? Been reading a lot about the cause, but no one has pointed it out in action.
No, "natural selection" is not the cause, that is assigning "motive". There is no active causality. You might as well say "natural unselection", where causality is a hawk in the sky, looking for his dinner, spotting the beige colored mouse on a sunny day on the dark gray rock, while the dark gray mouse a few feet away on the dark grey rock goes undetected and survives to breed as a dark gray mouse, whereas the light beige mouse became extinct because it did not live long enough to procreate.

Natural selection

Natural selection is one of the basic mechanisms of evolution, along with mutation, migration, and genetic drift
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25
Rather funny, the evolutionist claims there exists overwhelming evidence in the fossil record for evolution but cannot produce one transitional. What is the claim based on? Science or faith. These are not statements of science but testimonials of faith. But what do we have in the fossil record? Species disappearing as they appeared on the fossil record. Nothing transitional. Everything disappeared as it appeared. Now since no transitional has been found, everything is transitional.
The remaining fossil are right and clearly show a gradual morphology. We can conclude that Darwin was fundamentally correct in spite of the lack of modern excavation equipment and knowledge of biology itself at nano-scale level like DNA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
You can pile it as high as you want. I don’t have to prove it all wrong, all I have to do is prove one wrong.
But you won't, because you can't. Evolution is a self-evident mathematical mechanism which applies to the entire existence of the Universe. Darwinian Evolution is the same mathematical function applied to Earth biology .
Homo erectus. Smaller in size than the average human, with a smaller brain and head size. But note the brain size is within the rage of humans today, possessing the same middle ear anatomy. Their remains have been found in the same strata or close to the strata as Homo sapiens.

Whoever wrote that page did not do their homework.


Ok, “brainsize”. Simple brains or complex brains? It might just be a matter of a brain cell “growth instruction”, by a chromosomal mutation. By the number of chromosomes count we can definitively say that homo split from the hominid line of apes at that point in time. We’re just not sure exactly when that happened, but we do have carbon dating, etc. which gives us a fair idea, given the enormous time scales we’re dealing with. The brain is also an evolving organ, but it is restricted inside the skull, so it has to find more efficient “folding” pattern of brain cells, affording more sophisticated thought processes.

Folds in the brain Though the brains' ridges and valleys — called gyri and sulci, respectively — look random, they're actually consistent across individuals, and even some species. Ronan said this consistency is important because it indicates that the folding has meaning.Jun 23, 2018
Why Do Our Brains Have Folds? | Live Science
No theory of origins can be proved scientifically because the essence of the scientific method is observation and experimentation. One does not have to be a scientist to know that the origin of species cannot be observed or put to experiment since it is not happening in the present. But since you claim there is overwhelming observable evidence of NS in action please post it.
It has already been posted if only in a very small sampling, given the current wealth of knowledge in bio-chemistry and paleontology. You refuse to view the evidence, or watch demonstrations and experiments, and you won't accept personal narrative.

Your beliefs prevent you from making an objective assessment of sufficient available evidence.

Also the term “Transitional Fossil” is a bit of a misnomer because creatures are always changing, they are always transitioning from something towards some towards something else, since the environment keeps changing and evolution is all about keep up with the environment. Creatures are always changing, the finches beaks do change, but these creatures do not evolve into new species; they always remain the same kind. Note, every creature that disappeared from the fossil record, disappeared as it appeared. Nothing transitional exist.
Of course they do. Modern Great Apes are all transitional variations from our "common ancestor"
pssst, though if you wanted to learn I’ve got a collection of fascinating video to help you understanding, what you are currently missing about his ‘debate’: psst, I don’t do anyone’s homework. If you think you have something here of importance to show, write your synopsis of the video, [how your point is proven] and I will watch it.
You want to get a brief description of 4.5 billion years of biological evolution? OK.
The earliest evidence for life on Earth arises among the oldest rocks still preserved on the planet. Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, but the oldest rocks still in existence date back to just 4 billion years ago.Mar 1, 2017
What Was the First Life on Earth? | Live Science

Life started as a single celled biological organism (bio-chemical pattern), able to duplicate itself. The rest is a probabilistic evolutionary process from simple organics to sophisticated life forms in an incalculable variety, which shows both sides of the evolutionary processes via Natural Selection.

Remarkably there is a little salamander trapped in an evolutionary cul-de-sac and doomed for certain extinction. Offspring of the Silvery Salamander are all female clones of the mother. There are a few families living in ponds, but a single draught could wipe out all remaining specimen.

Natural selection is a natural survival mechanism. Those who survive get to procreate. Different traits (beneficial or detrimental) are passed on from the genes of both parents to offspring and is the main process for genetic diversity which is possible only through cell growth instructions contained in DNA.

This is why what you are doing isn’t science,

One can come up with almost any interpretation from the fossil record.
Yes any fool with a little knowledge can come up with almost any interpretation.

You do scientists the fatal disservice of pretending the education and expertise doesn’t matter. You demand that scientist’s understanding is as shallow as that of the average worker walking down the street.

I you ignore the very real part of science is that it’s students and practitioners are deeply informed, plus they are skeptical of others. This science that you constantly sneer at, is made up of communities of experts constantly looking over each others shoulders.

A scientist makes his name and career by upending previous understanding, it is their bread and butter. Previous interpretation get upended by new evidence and new insights. But you pretend none of that exists. You try to paint scientists as the same lazy bumbling fools we non-scientists are.

You ignore that scientists live for answering questions that inevitably beg new questions and mysteries. That is science what you are doing is a one-sided politics argument with complete contempt for honestly representing the fact.

 

Then what does @towerwatchman come up with. A bunch of what-if mathematical conjectures that are not good science, they amateurish uniformed assumptions dependent on misrepresenting what scientists have to say on the topic. I imagine WTM will that line call ad hominen, but how else can deliberately ignoring tons of evidence be described?

 

The finding, reported online Feb. 28 in the journal Current Biology, narrows the gap between humans and chimpanzees a little bit more.

“If we really want to talk about the big differences between humans and chimps — they’re covered in hair and we’re not,” Taglialatela told LiveScience. “Their brains are about one-third the size of humans’. But the major differences come down to ones of degree, not of kind.”

By, KATHERINE S. POLLARD is a biostatistician at the Gladstone Institutes at the University of California, San Francisco. In 2003, after completing a Ph.D. and postdoctoral research at U.C. Berkeley, she began a comparative genomics fellowship at U.C. Santa Cruz, during which she participated in the sequencing of the chimpanzee genome. Pollard used this sequence to identify the fastest-evolving regions of the human genome. A recipient in 2008 of a Sloan Research Fellowship, she recently began studying the evolution of microbes that live in the human body.

(interesting short teaser of an article, more information is only a few good faith curiosity driven google searches.)


@towerwatchman, not unbelievable notion that there’s only a couple percentage difference between Chimp DNA and Human DNA.

Humans, chimpanzees and monkeys share DNA but not gene regulatory mechanisms

Date:
November 6, 2012
Source:
American Society of Human Genetics
Summary:
Up to 40 percent of the differences in the expression or activity patterns of genes between humans, chimpanzees and rhesus monkeys can be explained by regulatory mechanisms that determine whether and how a gene’s recipe for a protein is transcribed to the RNA molecule that carries the recipe instructions to the sites in cells where proteins are manufactured.


The basic problem is that you are so busy trying to prove your point. But the entire exercise is supposed to be about learning as much as we can.

You don’t seem interested in that part of it, which makes it difficult to take you seriously.

 

TWM asked: Where is the evidence for these transitional periods? None exist in the fossil record.
I gave some evidence that you simply disregarded by saying that one part of it was erroneous. I bet that I could keep presenting evidence all day, and you would just disregard it. But here is evidence of your true agenda, I think. You said:
The “Neanderthal” is human and a descendent of Adam.
Neanderthals are just a variation on the line of evolution of humans that diverged from those humans that became homo sapiens. So I think it is correct to call my brothers, the Neanderthals humans.

But the next phrase shows your agenda, when you claim they are a descendant of Adam. Adam is a fictional Biblical conception who supposedly lived 6,000-ish years ago.

So what you must be trying to get at, but have avoided saying straightforwardly, is that God created all creatures. But you won’t come out and say that, because the fossil evidence, that you say doesn’t exist, shows that yours is a REALLY STUPID hypothesis for explaining the life forms that have existed historically on Earth.

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Alternative News Flash:

Fragments of skull found with strange yellowish wisps of hair, and dated 16 million years ago, are thought to be evidence of a precursor creature to Danuvius guggenmosi. An artist rendition of this creature was not possible because the artist who attempted it became suddenly catatonic and her hair instantly turned white. She has been immobile and unresponsive ever since, apparently due to the sheer horror generated by the creature she was envisioning.

However, I think that this may be a fair approximation of the monstrous looking creature (do not let children see this):

 

I know what you are thinking (if you are still able to think after seeing this visage). “How could homo sapiens evolve from that abomination?”

It makes me consider that maybe there is a God, but it is a God that has a most crude and cruel sense of humor, to have created something like that.

 

 

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That creature is an alien with a human mask on. lol

Oh gosh Tim turn it off, my eyes, my heart, my stomach. Will nothing rid us of this monster?

 

Still thanks for stepping in with your lucid observations

"... Adam is a fictional Biblical conception who supposedly lived 6,000-ish years ago.

So what you must be trying to get at, but have avoided saying straightforwardly, is that God created all creatures. …"


I had more I wanted to write and edit (for sure) up there, but it’s amazing how fast priorities can change.

Specially when folks start yelling FIRE! The texts were flying right and left. Fortunately we’re luckier than the crowd up there in East Canyon. It would take some mighty dramatic wind activity to push that our way, but man did it take off, and we’re still in the 80° and the summer is young.

These are taken with about an hour, 15 minutes from when the fire was first called it. There are even flames visible.

This last one was taken perhaps 5 minutes earlier from near our cabin, then I left to get a better view, since some neighbors were suggesting evacuation. Which won’t be necessary at this point, I think even under worst conditions this would take a couple days before it threatened us, plus some amazing winds. But if one starts further south along those mesas, story could be quite different for us. But it sucks for the folks living up in there, there but for the grace of providence.


As for the main topic, might I suggest further reading for the honestly curious - <em>posers, grow up</em>:

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The 2% Difference
Now that scientists have decoded the chimpanzee genome, we know that 98 percent of our DNA is the same.

So how can we be so different?
By Robert Sapolsky,   April 3, 2006 6:00 PM

https: //www - discovermagazine - com/planet-earth/the-2-difference

What Separates You From Chimps
By Clara Moskowitz February 28, 2008

https: //www - livescience - com/2329-separates-chimps.html


Chimps vs. Humans: How Are We Different?
By Natalie Wolchover July 29, 2011

https: //www - livescience - com/15297-chimps-humans.html

Humans, chimpanzees and monkeys share DNA but not gene regulatory mechanisms
Date: November 6, 2012
https: //www _ sciencedaily - com/releases/2012/11/121106201124.htm

Up to 40 percent of the differences in the expression or activity patterns of genes between humans, chimpanzees and rhesus monkeys can be explained by regulatory mechanisms that determine whether and how a gene’s recipe for a protein is transcribed to the RNA molecule that carries the recipe instructions to the sites in cells where proteins are manufactured.


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A while back in some thread on the Forums, I predicted that this summer will be one of extraordinary violence stemming from societal frustrations. That has come to pass. But as you say in reference to the FIRES, it is still only in the 80’s (Fahrenheit) so they WILL get worse. I think the societal violence will also get worse as the temperatures rise. I think that the pro-racists and the pro-fascists will have a deadly counter attack to all of the momentum of the anti-racism that is occurring.

I only hope that the coming violence does not give the T rump an avenue for living out his wet dream of using the U.S. Military to carry out his political agenda of attacking whoever the T rump establishes is a domestic enemy.

He will not abandon his tactic of dividing America and pretending to be “strong” while attacking those who don’t worship him, because it has worked for him so far, and he is not smart enough to come up with a more functional approach.

It is nice to predict matters that will manifest within months, rather than years, because it is easier to show the deniers up as being the dumass and ignorant violators of humanity that they are, in the shorter time period.