My enemies are the ones that hate me.Can you clarify this? Hate you for what?
If you had made as many and serious mistakes in your life as I had and had overcome them through the glorious truths one sees through scripture, you would want to help others who still make the mistakes that you made even if they seek to destroy you.Cite one serious mistake that you had overcome through the truth you saw through scripture?
I hadn’t really grasped that your assertion that babies can look like cats was being taken seriously. I’ve not seen that. Perhaps you can show me what you are talking about.
I was serious and at certain stages of development all mammals basically look alike under an ultrasound. At various stages, if you don’t know the mama and only had the ultrasound, with no one telling what species the mom is, you couldn’t tell between a tadpole and human zygote. Later, you can’t tell if it’s an elephant baby, kitten, puppy, chimp or human and finally, in the last stage, right before birth you couldn’t tell if it was chimp or human. The fetus doesn’t just suddenly look human immediately after conception. It doesn’t look human for weeks afterward. In fact, it’s really quite hideous for about 5 or 7 weeks and doesn’t look human at all.
First picture is a human and chimpanzee fetus at approximately the same stage of embryonic development. The second one is human embryonic development. Last one is pig, human, and lemur embryonic development. If nothing had told you, you’d probably think they were all the same critter, but they are not.
This is a dog at about the same stage:
Oh you love pictures of aborted babies, @loveofgod . Here’s a kitten and actual [spontaneously?] aborted kitten:
Don’t abort baby kittens or puppies. They are living beings and precious lives. Abortion of puppies and kittens is murder. Every cat and dog sperm is sacred. They really don’t look much different than human fetuses. None of them look much different.
That 4 wks human embryo looks like it could turn into the Alien that rips its way out of a human’s guts and tries to kill Segourney Weaver.
I know. It does look very alien. All of them look alien at about that stage.
I know. It does look very alien. All of them look alien at about that stage.How were your pregnancies? Good? It never fail to amaze me, that ferocity of mothers in the wild coming to the defense of their offspring. And their devotion in tending to their young is inspiring.
I don’t think whether or not my pregnancies were good or not has anything to do with the topic.
Not only that, but we all start out as girls. I mean, like what fun is that.
{PS. Mriana, that’s their tactics, losing a rational argument, overwhelmed by a good presentation of that facts, go for the jugular, get personal and shove them off balance. }
True, we do all start as girl, but things change and develop into something if you have a Y chromosome.
Your second statement is also true too, which is why I won’t answer his question.
Yet Paul spoke of Christ and the book you so love the KJV also calls Jesus, Christ. Actually, if you look at the Greek, it’s more like the Cristos, but that’s actually the Latin and not the Greek. Greek is more like χριστός meaning the anointed one, the messiah, Christ.The problem with looking at the greek, is that allows anyone make any claims they like about the text, as the scholars do. And it is hard to think there is no bias there, especially when not everyone comes to to the same conclusion.
If I have a bible, and you say that word is wrong. OK, well that is another bible. What I defend is the unchanged bible. Saying a Chi is more like a C seems pretty daft to me no matter how many scholars say it, and no matter how “real” they are, because I can think for myself and remain skeptical.
LOG, you have come to this conclusion through your particular life journey and your particular interpretation of your religious ideas. I like it.I think there are other roads to the same conclusion. Whereas, your road, I think is one less taken, even amongst most of those who are considered devout Christians.
@loveofgod Greek is the original language of the New Testament, just as Hebrew was the original for the Old Testament. So no one is making any claims, especially when anyone who wants to study Greek and find out what the original said, can. What you said is the lamest excuse for attempting to justify not educating oneself about their own religion. Again, willful ignorance and yes, if one mistranslates the Greek, then yes, the word is wrong. No one said a Chi is a C. Chi is the first letter of the Greek word for Christ. I already showed you that word. Again, you are showing ignorance and a refusal to learn.
"unchanged bible"What is that?
“unchanging” isn’t part of anything. As in nothing is unchanging. Or?
Do you think unchanging is some sort of virtue? Can you explain any of that?
Totally fascinating story that gets more interesting with every new publication.God is a creation of our minds, but we are a creation of Evolution going back billions of years.
To me the stories about multiple migrations and migrations that leave no evidence are suggestive of a confused account which is lacking evidence in some areas (e.g. evidence of earlier migrations). The bible would seem to suggest a single migration event.
The idea of God as presented in the Bible is totally egocentric and human-petty, and demands one turn a blind eye to God’s Physical Creation. That’s the part I find so crazy-making.I don't see that in the bible. That's your idea. It seems to me our views about God are often reflect our own personalities. To the froward I will show myself froward...
How can your god be true, if you must ignore and reject and lie about so much of “god’s” living reality?Which parts of reality am I missing?
When I started believing in creation, the most common view was that Neanderthal’s were an offshoot and therefore didn’t interbreed with humans. I thought they were our ancestors. Suggesting we have some of the same DNA seems to support my view more than the scientific view at the time. What I haven’t looked into is how scientists manage to get DNA from Neanderthal’s if they are millions of years old… Oh, it turns out that Neanderthals allegedly lived until about 40ka ago. Well I guess the clock they use is out by a factor of about 10. And actually one of the reasons I was excited about the molecular clock measurements, is that when they were first measured rather than inferred, they gave a date for mtEve about 6500ya.
Thanks for bringing this back to some actual science.
Wonderful, let me show you convincing evidence that Humans have the same ancestor as other Great Apes.Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes
Introduction
All great apes apart from man have 24 pairs of chromosomes. There is therefore a hypothesis that the common ancestor of all great apes had 24 pairs of chromosomes and that the fusion of two of the ancestor’s chromosomes created chromosome 2 in humans. The evidence for this hypothesis is very strong.
Let us re-iterate what we find on human chromosome 2. Its centromere is at the same place as the chimpanzee chromosome 2p as determined by sequence similarity. Even more telling is the fact that on the 2q arm of the human chromosome 2 is the unmistakable remains of the original chromosome centromere of the common ancestor of human and chimp 2q chromosome, at the same position as the chimp 2q centromere (this structure in humans no longer acts as a centromere for chromosome 2.
I think there are places of remarkable correspondence and places of remarkable diversity. Both have to be explained.
I will bring in one more piece of evidence from Nature as an example:
Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content
Abstract: The human Y chromosome began to evolve from an autosome hundreds of millions of years ago, acquiring a sex-determining function and undergoing a series of inversions that suppressed crossing over with the X chromosome1,2. Little is known about the recent evolution of the Y chromosome because only the human Y chromosome has been fully sequenced. Prevailing theories hold that Y chromosomes evolve by gene loss, the pace of which slows over time, eventually leading to a paucity of genes, and stasis3,4. These theories have been buttressed by partial sequence data from newly emergent plant and animal Y chromosomes5,6,7,8, but they have not been tested in older, highly evolved Y chromosomes such as that of humans. Here we finished sequencing of the male-specific region of the Y chromosome (MSY) in our closest living relative, the chimpanzee, achieving levels of accuracy and completion previously reached for the human MSY. By comparing the MSYs of the two species we show that they differ radically in sequence structure and gene content, indicating rapid evolution during the past 6 million years. The chimpanzee MSY contains twice as many massive palindromes as the human MSY, yet it has lost large fractions of the MSY protein-coding genes and gene families present in the last common ancestor. We suggest that the extraordinary divergence of the chimpanzee and human MSYs was driven by four synergistic factors: the prominent role of the MSY in sperm production, ‘genetic hitchhiking’ effects in the absence of meiotic crossing over, frequent ectopic recombination within the MSY, and species differences in mating behaviour. Although genetic decay may be the principal dynamic in the evolution of newly emergent Y chromosomes, wholesale renovation is the paramount theme in the continuing evolution of chimpanzee, human and perhaps other older MSYs.Whatever rates you assign to molecular clocks (a discussion we are yet to finish), the Y-chromosome of chimp and human are so remarkably divergent, the hypothesis of gradual accumulation of mutations breaks down.
Now from my point of view, whichever side of the argument I wish to try and defend, I have a lot of explaining to do. If posit remarkably different Y-chromosomes as proof of non-ancestry, I have yet to account for the notable agreements between chimp and human DNA. If I accept a Darwinian hypothesis of monkey ancestry, then I have to account for some completely unknown and yet to be proved reason that the Y chromosomes that are remarkably similar between modern men, are remarkably different between man and beast – chimp in this case.
Independent of the argument, the truth has to reside in a place that both these accounts can be fully accounted for. I would also put forward that attempting to reconcile these views leads us towards the truth. Trying to establish which “side” of the argument one should believe may be a false dichotomy, and bringing in a weight of other evidence, doesn’t excuse us from examining these two important results.
Without me trying to hold you to this position, do you think this is a reasonable summary?
Can you clarify this? Hate you for what?It's how I understand what an enemy is (a definition if you will) -- someone who hates me. I cannot understand it in terms of those I hate because I do not hate anyone. To answer the question what kind of things am I hated for? Defending the truth. Presenting good arguments. Quoting sources. Not quoting sources. Saying the King James bible is accurate. Disagreeing with someone. Presenting bad arguments.
Though I say defending the truth rather than telling the truth, because I find when the right words come to me, that allow me to speak completely honestly without fear, they have a way of cutting through the darkest of lies. At least that is the way it seems sometimes.
Greek is the original language of the New Testament, just as Hebrew was the original for the Old Testament. So no one is making any claims, especially when anyone who wants to study Greek and find out what the original said, can. What you said is the lamest excuse for attempting to justify not educating oneself about their own religion. Again, willful ignorance and yes, if one mistranslates the Greek, then yes, the word is wrong. No one said a Chi is a C. Chi is the first letter of the Greek word for Christ. I already showed you that word. Again, you are showing ignorance and a refusal to learn.Maybe I misunderstood you, when you said, "Actually, if you look at the Greek, it’s more like the Cristos". I thought you were transliterating the Chi as a C. Could you clarify?
Is “refusal to learn” newspeak for not agreeing with you?
@loveofgod This is the Greek word for Christ: Χριστός In Latin it is Christós. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g5547
Originally, and this is where you need to understand some Greek so you understand your own religion, Chi, as in Chi Rho, was also used to symbolize Christ for short with just an “X”. Thus you see an X over a P often in some churches, which also have some church history behind it. Chi Rho - Wikipedia Chi is also the 22 letter of the Greek alphabet
Chi Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster , not the third, so we are not talking about the Anglo Saxon alphabet here, so you can make a literal translation from the Xian origins and the original texts and this is where the KJV has the worst translation. It is the Greek initial for Christ or rather Χριστός. It’s like people calling you log although I can see more behind “log” than just initials. So when one says Xmas, Xian, X it is the Greek initial for Christ. Xmas - Wikipedia
As for “refusal to learn” this goes back to your refusal to seek out information about the origins of your religion, which is Xianity. The history of Xianity is a very violent one. It was never really a peaceful religion. That said, one needs to understand the Greek origins of the religion in order to know how it got where it is today. One also should study the history of the Library of Alexandria, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the Great Awakening, as well as other historical events related to modern day Xianity. Also, it doesn’t hurt to study the creation of the Bible, where there was basically, as Robert Price once put it, a drunken brewhaha in deciding which books went into it. That also leads to the “Forbidden texts” which are also fascinating, but are only forbidden because Priests didn’t want people to read them to learn anything different from what they wanted to brainwash others with. Dig deep enough, one finds that the stories written about Jesus are basically not about a historical man, but rather mythology that has buried a man who may have existed and all too many Xians, and some atheists, don’t want to believe that. At one time there may have been a historical Jesus, but he’s too buried in myth to find the actual man.
It’s how I understand what an enemy is (a definition if you will) — someone who hates me. I cannot understand it in terms of those I hate because I do not hate anyone. To answer the question what kind of things am I hated for? Defending the truth. Presenting good arguments. Quoting sources. Not quoting sources. Saying the King James bible is accurate. Disagreeing with someone. Presenting bad arguments.Isn’t that an overly strong condemnation of people who disagree with what you have to say? One way to have no enemies is to not say anything and keep your mouth shut. It is easier than turning the other cheek after getting slapped by an enemy whom you had created by your expressed beliefs.
Though I say defending the truth rather than telling the truth, because I find when the right words come to me, that allow me to speak completely honestly without fear, they have a way of cutting through the darkest of lies. At least that is the way it seems sometimes.Well, everyone seems to have truths to defend these days. The more truths you tell, the more enemies you make.
Whatever rates you assign to molecular clocks (a discussion we are yet to finish), the Y-chromosome of chimp and human are so remarkably divergent, the hypothesis of gradual accumulation of mutations breaks down.IF humans and chimps last common ancestors lived 14 Million years ago, that seems like a lot of time for natural variations AND mutations to have accumulated into what we now know as homo sapiens. And consider that the Chimps were having their own divergent variations and mutations.
I suggest that you do not have an even foggy conception of what 1 million years on Earth has been like, much less 14 million. DEEP time, brother. Try to get a grip on it.
