Is puberty brainwashing?

Sorta sparked by a comment a dude made to me that I have serious doubt about:

First off, it’s not “we don’t know,” it’s “they don’t know.” Just because some sources are uncertain doesn’t mean the answer isn’t out there. Consensus doesn’t determine truth. Look at how many still believe in astrology, miracles, or gods. Answers emerge over time, usually in pockets among those who actually understand the subject. We aren’t still arguing about how to define life. Only people locked into rigid biases are. Strip away the bias and the argument disappears. Life operates through observable principles, and while edge cases exist, they don’t invalidate the broader understanding of biological processes. As for sexuality, you just proved the point yourself. Everything exists on a spectrum. Even the most heterosexual men fall somewhere within it, whether they acknowledge it or not. This is evident in dominance and submission traits, social bonding behaviors, and even the way attraction works under varying conditions. Sexual orientation is largely a result of long-term hormonal influences. If you we’re to alter key hormones like testosterone, estrogen, oxytocin, and progesterone etc, you would see behavioral and attraction shifts in ANYONE. It’s all biochemical. Nature operates this way to create adaptability, allowing different individuals to thrive in different niches. Your being gay has evolutionary advantages, even if they aren’t as obvious in today’s social structures. Societal norms fluctuate and when they reach a breaking point they tend to cycle back. What may seem like a disadvantage now could become an asset later, as history has shown time and time again. And to answer your last question, yes, it’s “true” in the sense that your attraction is dictated by your physiology. The same applies to me. I’m attracted to women because of the hormones present in my body. But as we age and those hormones decline, sexual drive fades for both of us. That’s why the elderly don’t go clubbing they become sexually benign overtime absent of all desire. Resorting back to a neutral state as the hormones decline the same way we all were in before puberty (before bias’s and judgement) One last thing, epigenetics can modulate hormones, meaning certain life experiences can create lasting physiological changes. For example, if a girl is traumatized by a male with a beard, the stress response could trigger epigenetic modifications to her RNA, influencing her attraction patterns, perhaps making her avoid men with beards or even shifting her sexual preferences. So yes, you’re gay, but only to the extent that your physiology permits, just as my heterosexuality is also shaped by biological and environmental factors. This is adjustable with focus and understanding to a degree. But most people arevlazy and accept it as natural even if its dynamic. Hope that helps.. I dont see sex as defining i see life as defining. Your alive and beneficial as an intellectual curious person so that overrules society limited norms in my eyes. But im apparently rare in that regard.

The first thing I found that was wrong was him saying as you get older sex decreases, this is a myth.

What is who responding where here? This is a random string of, I didn’t know what

I don’t understand. How could puberty even be thought of as “brainwashing?”

It’s a reply I got when the topic of sexuality came up and I mentioned being gay and how sexuality doesn’t really change.

When you think children are some kind of pure state before the chemicals come into play that make you want different things. Or at least that’s what he seems to think.

I didn’t notice that part when I read through the wall of text. These kind of posts, with no paragraph breaks, just a stream of consciousness from one disconnected idea to another, give a little bit of insight into how the mind works. Or, doesn’t work.

Critical thinking using scientific methods is a disruption of the normal free flow. That free flow was great for survival in the dangerous wild world we evolved in, but it doesn’t help you build three story buildings or bridges across gorges. It’s where ideas and innovations come from, not technical diagrams or experimental evidence. It feels good, like a discovery, but without testing and verification, that kind of mental process can be dangerous.

I see what you mean. There is some truth to that.

We do change during puberty and we start to care about things we didn’t care about before puberty.

I remember when I was in 7th grade I had friends that were girls. Then one day puberty started, and I suddenly saw these girls in a way I didn’t before. We couldn’t be friends the same way anymore. That doesn’t mean one time of life is more valid than the other.

That’s the conclusion he seems to be drawing, except that he’s wrong about the elderly people.

Well it was a chat so it was hard to try to copy the whole thing.

I would argue we don’t really need to build three story building or bridges over gorges more like figure out how to live. All that stuff is just extra. But this isnn’t related to the main topic.

Well, actually . . . From a biological perspective, it certainly is a brainwashing.
From all sides, hormones, growth pains, insecurity, and that world outside.

One day I was a happy goofy kid, next waves of Weltschmerz were washing over me, as I was dodging gays wanting to look at my weenie, and fighting with that constant hard on during classes filled with beautiful girls who were filling out.

Fortunately, it’s just a phase.

This too shall pass.

As for the old age end of the parade, this is all I got say about that. :wink:

This is a good time to get technical

1: a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas

2: persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

Biology does not force or persuade. It doesn’t have a reason. “Brainwash” is not a scientific term, so I guess you could use it any way you want and not be technically wrong. Combining it with the science of biology is straying from standard usage.

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Sure if you want to get technical.
Still our brain does get washed over with a whole bunch of bio-chemical and stimulation, which triggers its own floods of biochemical stimulation.

Still, I take your point.

Brainwashing would imply there is some true pure state, and biologically that’s not really true. Especially since kids aren’t fully developed.

I mean that’s kinda the point here. The guy I quoted seems to think, from the text, that hormones and stuff is some brainwashing and kids and elderly are some pure state. If anything he makes it sound like it’s bad to develop sexuality.

Well in a metaphorical sense, it does work.

Hormones are chemical messengers that travel through the bloodstream, regulating critical bodily functions such as metabolism, growth, mood, reproduction, and sleep.

Washing away one’s current feelings, replacing with other feelings.

kids and elderly are some pure state.

Pure state, what is that?
An infant (especially those first hundred days) is about the most sublime pure state I can imagine. But the infant is absolutely and utterly dependent on caregivers.

So what good is purity, I don’t know.

Kids tend to be cooler and more honest than most adults - but “pure” ? Pure what? They can turn into little monsters in a hurry too.

Old age, don’t know where purity would come into that, except that we usually learn what a folly the search for purity is, so there’s perhaps a bit of wisdom and tolerance in there.

But what does any of that have to do with “purity” anyways?

“Pure” isn’t some blanket good.

Heck drinking any amount of pure water, as in pure H2O, is actually a very unhealthy thing to do to one’s body. It’ll even kill you unless you get some unpure water to replenish the minerals your body dearly needs.

Another instance where a little more attention to definitions and details would be very helpful.

Cheers, just making conversation. :wink:

This sounds like reaching, it’s not brainwashing.

Not even in a metaphorical sense, again this implies there is some pure state humans exist in that is corrupted.

That seems to be the implication though.

No, I think you are injecting that.

If you say so.
I won’t make an issue out of it.
I have other fish to fry.

Cheers

I’m not, that’s literally what he’s trying to say.

It’s often hard to tell what you are thinking inthedarkness and what you are referring to that someone else said. Pretty often you are describing others say, then saying something like, “but that seems wrong”. The idea of this forum is to let us know your thoughts.

Okay, so he’s injecting that.

Why are you obsessing over his opinion?


Why not spend a little time with something challenging, You’re no dummy, stop wasting your time chasing your tail - give it a try, look outside yourself.

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Can’t it be both? What I think is related to that.

Because it makes it sound like me being attracted to other people is wrong because it’s some form of brainwashing.