I am aware that science follows timelines of human populism where the facts don’t change but the results are due because of being looked upon from different viewpoints. When it comes to climate change today the viewpoints have reached the point of a political religious type of movement of scientific interpretation vs fact-based science. We don’t need to change the science. We need to educate our people to understand what fact-based science is. Example, follow the timeline of aether winds.
You often, lately almost exclusively, conflate politics and science. They cross over, so I try to be nice and give you some leeway, but you take an inch and go a mile off course. Politics is what we have to do to survive while we continue to seek better data and conclusions through science.
This is where the merry-go-round is turned on. I have had so many misinformation-entrepreneurs like yourself agree with me on this point then circle back to bad science. I have too much experience with you to believe you know what “fact-based science” is.
This is what I’ve been saying for the last year or so: that you rarely actually name something behind your opinionated claims, because when you do, they are missing anything resembling a foundation that we could build on. No, I’m not going to follow whatever it is you mean by a “timeline” on science that has been done and confirmed.
Science is work, hard works by teams who study, experiment, make hypothesis, check the facts and control the results, confronting each others.
False science is nuts, bullies and crooks and corrupt politicians, promoting their interests, on the social network.
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Ahead of COP30 bill gates said to delegates to reject a “doomsday view of climate change”. The focus on near term goals will undoubtedly hit the wealth of these oligarchs.
None of the leaders of the 5 biggest polluter countries turned up but 1600 fossil fuel lobbyists most certainly did. The fox among the chickens ? No , its always been an all fox gig
Latest UN report has us on target to 2.6 degree increase by end of century which will be devastating to life on earth with every new report indicating the effects to be worse than what was previously thought
More good news . A recent Amnesty International report finding that over 2 billion people face health risk such cancer, respiratory conditions, heart disease, premature birth and death living within 5 kms of a FF facility .
Yet trillions of dollars are spent on expanding FF and trillions more sank into forever wars. How about those poor farmers now?
there has been a huge investment made in the coal, oil, gas and petrochemical industries built up by the working class. Now but all of this infrastructure is owned by the capitalist investors and getting a full return on their investment requires its continued use as a source of profit so long as the natural resources haven’t been depleted. This leads to the short sighted perspective of the capitalists. The capitalists work from both ends, that is, they promote widespread dependence on and use of their energy and products while refusing to wind down production. Where possible they sabotage more efficient and less environmentally damaging ways of living.
From 2020
“The motivations of the Capitalists don’t actually matter.”
Anthropologist and careful thinker, and the opposite of cynical, David Graeber died this month at age 59.
Transcript from 2:28 to 3:37 of 10:44.
“The motivations of the Capitalists don’t actually matter. There is a certain dynamic within the system as a whole which means you could be the nicest person in the world. You could nave the best intentions possible. You could love your workers more than yourself. It doesn’t matter. If you are in a competitive market place that is structured in a certain way there are constraints. And there is no reason for us to imagine that those constraints will go away if everyone means well.
One of the most compelling documents I have ever seen was during the Bush administration. A group of CEO’s wrote a letter to the President actually, of the United States. And they were mainly people in energy companies, essentially saying we need greater government control on energy production to contain global warming. And these are the guys who are heads of energy companies, you know, basically saying “Stop us before we kill again,” you know. We don’t want to destroy the world, but were are compelled by the structure of our position. We are answerable only to our stockholders. We have to make the maximum amount of profit possible for them regardless of our personal feelings. We don’t like the results. Create laws to stop us from doing this. And I think this brings home very clearly what some of the structural contradictions are. Currently the corporate structure is one to stop people from acting ethically even if they want to.”
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That post is no good. The CEOs were asking for cap and trade .Graeber fell for it
Now that’s a bit silly isn’t it?
Without a sober hard look at our motives, nothing has changed, no matter how much rigorous science gets achieved and published only to be ignored.
I’m sure someone will shout it hasn’t been ignored!!!
If they say so - but sure as hades pretty near none of it has been absorbed.
Maybe a bit but not more than a bit. Regardless of the details of the memo, the sentiment is correct. A CEO can’t change the system. If they suddenly became altruistic or made massive changes to their business model, they would be removed. They would be told that charity is for retirement and if they want a different business, get a different company.
The CEOs depend on share holders, the shareholders depend on customers, the customers believe they have freedoms that they didn’t really have, that translates into votes that are driven by profits and the cycle is complete.
I’m not trying to dispute any of that.
We are strapped in.
It’s the inside of humans that needs to change, before anything of substance will change, and I get the feeling we’re running out of time in a hurry. The rest is simply repeating the same dance steps. Which in a way I think you are also saying. We’re at this party, and these are the dance steps . . . 
I don’t know what that means.
There are definitely ways to change human behavior at the group level. We have done it. The American colonies were mostly literate and they met and talked regularly, so we had a revolution. Public education led to women’s and civil rights. That got to be too much for the rich so they started rolling that back and simply stopped expanding welfare and worker programs. People didn’t see how science ended polio and measles so they stopped trusting science at all. These are all issues that can be addressed.
It’s our attitude toward our situation and the other creatures on this planet that needs changing before any positive real-world changes can happen.
It brings the discussion right back to the big taboo. The need to honesty face our self-absorbed thinking and self-serving nature, facing it. Coming to terms. Dare I get dramatic—burn on f’n cross of our own making.
That will pull our heads out of that dark spot it’s so firmly wedged into.
Explicity recognizing how our body’s create our own thoughts and minds and even that Gods come from within ourselves - and that mankind isn’t some exception meta-earthling. Simply the most amazing animal that has ever lived.
Mile markers on the path to understanding: Hazen, Lane, Sloan-Wilson, Solms, Damasio, Sapolski, Levin, Turin, Reber.
But it past the turning this around stage. Deepdown I’m dealing with the knownledge this these generations, child children’s and their children’s are going to be the sacrificial scapegoats. They will suffer and burn for our self imposed willful ignorance and idiotic distractions by such intellect tripe as the contrived Hard Problem - all the while philosopher working in their ivory tower, did nothing to help society get a grip and at least think about our responsibility and slowing down just a little bit.
Instead we sent our Democracy down the trash shoot. Man I do try to keep it positive and nice, but it burns, knowing how little we tried.
Excuse the hot blood, I happen to be listening to Old Man River, was supposed to a nice informative listen, instead it’s the recipe of our destructive hateful western nature. It seems obvious we weren’t going to stop until consumed ourselves. Still wish more would have wanted to try.
… Old Man River’s ample bibliography is composed of a mix of old and new scholarly secondary sources, firsthand accounts, and newspaper and magazine articles. As in his other publications, Schneider is adept at working with dozens of sources and expeditiously serving up documented, engaging, book-length narrative prose.
This is not so much a book about the Mississippi Valley as one about events on or near the river itself. Schneider seems unaware of all but a few of the authors mentioned in the first paragraph of this review, or of his place in carrying on…
The myth of the reluctant capitalist and the lie of progressive capitalism.
Capitalism is moribund. It’s own inherent self contradictions are near to killing it. Essentially, it commits suicide - which is really genocide. From the financial “liberalisations” from the last two decades of the 20th C to the QE & monetary shenanigans of the 21st C we see symptoms of capitalism’s genetic sicknesses.
Capitalism is now wholly dependent on the narcotic stimulus of fictional capital. Compare the amount of money pumped into world economies by QE etc & the inflation of bond & equity prices - there is a disturbing rough equivalence.
Progressive capitalism is a lie. Neoliberal capitalism, is the ultimate logic of capitalism. It will kill itself. The question is whether workers can control & direct it’s death throes. Elites, in their vicious delusions will fight tooth & claws to keep a pulse in the capitalist body. They will (are turning) to fascism. Democracy WILL die before capitalism.
Working people are obligated to save this world from capitalism (perhaps worse, it’s future mutations) before it’s deaths throes destroy everything (by war, by environmental degradation, by some as yet unimagined horror).
Time is running out. Talk of progressive capitalism is either deceit or dementia.
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For the record I’m not disputing that.
Hollywood quotes.
The problem is our inherent denial.
I’d rather focus on Earth’s reality, and keeping on with the keeping on.