FOX vs. CNN - False Equivalence

Politics and Social Issues
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This is interesting:

David Broockman and Joshua Kalla paid Fox viewers to watch CNN for one month, and then asked them a series of questions about world news. Those answers we complied into a newly released study. Broockman and Kalla share their findings with CNN’s Brian Stelter.

Seems a bit elementary but it’s worth discussing.

2:30 “it’s not about an objective standard”

Well so how about the standard of “honesty” when covering a story?

The unique role of Fox News in the misinformation universe

By Philip Bump
National correspondent
November 8, 2021|Updated November 8, 2021

You will probably not be surprised to learn that Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to believe false claims and conspiracy theories centered on the coronavirus vaccines and the pandemic broadly. You will also probably not be surprised to learn that people who trust information about the pandemic from conspiratorial far-right networks such as One America News and Newsmax are much more likely to embrace conspiracy theories than people who watch network news, according to new polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF).

But you may be surprised to learn that people who say they trust coronavirus information from Fox News were as likely to embrace those false theories as were those who trusted One America News.

5 facts about Fox News

BY JOHN GRAMLICH

Around four-in-ten Americans trust Fox News. Nearly the same share distrust it.
Republicans trust Fox News more than any other outlet. Democrats distrust it more than any other outlet.
On an ideological scale, the average Fox News consumer is to the right of the average U.S. adult, but not as far to the right as the audiences of some other outlets
People who cite Fox News as their main source of political news are older and more likely to be white than U.S. adults overall.
Those who name Fox News as their main source of political news stand out in their views on key issues and people, including President Donald Trump .

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I’ve got mixed feelings about this guy, but he is just the messenger and he’s shared some important information, that can actually get fact checked successfully, so I gotta give him his due.

A Plan for Putting the GOP on the News

The plan as outlined by Roger Ailes

Roger Ailes’ Secret Nixon-Era Blueprint For Fox News Revealed

John Cook - Contributor - Gawker
Jun 30, 2011

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Ari Melber is a lawyer turned news analyst.

Ari Naftali Melber is an American attorney and journalist who is the chief legal correspondent for MSNBC and host of The Beat with Ari Melber. [Wikipedia]

Ari Melber - Wikipedia

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Re #3

Fox News Lies Debunked: Viewers Know Less Than If They Watched No News At All
Jan 27, 2022 #TuckerCarlson #FoxNews #MSNBC

President Biden recently revived a debate over Fox News by comparing it to other legitimate news outlets. In this special report, Ari Melber shows the “equivalence” push by some politicians is dangerous by delving into research showing Fox often misleads and misinforms its viewers on critical issues, like the pandemic, climate change, the 2020 election and the Jan. 6 insurrection.

PS. at 2:40 - thing is if the hat fits wear it. Peter Doocy is not only a SSB, he’s a Malicious Stupid Son of … with no respect for honesty and education, trolling is his sport, he’s no journalist, that’s for sure. Propaganda specialist is more like it.

I should admit that since writing that, Ari been growing in my estimation.
I’ve watched many excellent interviews, with a few amazing interviews that I couldn’t help not being positively impressed by.
Also lightening up on his rapper schtick, has been appreciated by this viewer. :cowboy_hat_face:

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Since you brought it up, an update is called for.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/media/fox-news-producer-lawsuit/index.html

New York, CNN —
A Fox News producer on Monday filed a pair of explosive lawsuits against the right-wing talk channel, alleging that the network’s lawyers coerced her into providing misleading testimony in Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.6 billion defamation case against the company.

The lawsuits filed by Abby Grossberg, who worked as a senior booking producer for Maria Bartiromo and most recently head of booking for Tucker Carlson, accused Fox’s legal team of having engaged in wrongful conduct as it prepared her for a pre-trial deposition in the election technology company’s case.

The lawsuits from Grossberg, who has since been placed on administrative leave by Fox, were filed in Delaware Superior Court and the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York. …

The lawsuits were filed Monday night by Abby Grossberg, who worked with Fox News hosts Tucker Carlson and Maria Bartiromo, against the network in New York and Delaware. …

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Faux News views aren’t very brilliant, but they believe they know the truth and refused they were fed a bunch of lies.

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"This is got to stop now! This is bad for business! Our brainwashed audience is furious with us."

The Cult leaders in fear of being cannibalized by their victims.

All those decades brainwashing people, now what, triage and striving to reach out to the reachable. Unless we are changing minds, we are losing.

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Democratic Voters are feel disenfranchised by the Democratic Party. How do you turn that around, to better inform and then reengage the party’s Grassroots?

This, during next year’s election we should have every Democracy loving American energized and looking for how they can best participate in the coming election. But most remain silent and it’s frightening.

After all, this time around the election will again be about the future of open and fair elections in the USA. Sure our democracy is far from perfect, but ignoring your citizens responsibly and ignoring it will guarantee it’s going to get way worse!

This election will be another national referendum between the importance of honesty and truth in America’s public dialogue vs. a descent into anger driven anarchy and delusional thinking.

No exaggeration, simply pay attention to how the Republican Party has been engaging in every imaginable dirty trick to stymie future election participation and voting legitimacy.

Successful politicians require strong, informed, proactive support at their backs if they are to lead, yet the DNC seems to be doing little to nurture that sort of buy-in from their grassroots. Why?

The DNC should be informing and engaging constituents in a way that makes sense to us and connects with our lives. Creating relevance, encourages enthusiasm, produces participation.

Why not use the internet? Create a quality internet platform for having constructive political dialogue, by Democrats, for Democrats?

The Delaware judge overseeing a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News on Tuesday did not seem to buy the argument that founder Rupert Murdoch was too infirm to testify at trial next month.

The judge told Fox’s attorneys not to make him “look like an idiot.”

The remarks came at the outset of a pre-trial hearing when Judge Eric M. Davis noted that he previously had received a letter stating that the 92-year-old Murdoch “couldn’t travel” to the trial in Delaware because of COVID.

“I also have people telling me that he’s done some things recently that [show] he’s hardly infirm,” Davis said …

The exchange was the first of several in which the normally impassive Davis warned Fox attorneys to “be careful.”

It also foreshadowed a key contention in the widely watched defamation case brought by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News: Were top executives, including controlling owner Murdoch, responsible for the broadcasting of baseless election fraud claims in late 2020?

Dominion intends to call not just Murdoch but a long list of Fox executives and stars to the stand. The list includes Murdoch’s son Lachlan — the head of Fox News’ parent company Fox Corp. — and hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo.

It also includes Abby Grossberg …

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Here’s an interesting story that highlights how Defendant FOX Infotainment Channel plays the game.

Apr 5, 2023 #msnbc #foxnews #mikelindell

In addition to being a major advertiser for Fox, Mike Lindell also regularly promotes outlandish conspiracy theories. Thanks to the Dominion lawsuit we now know how Tucker Carlson’s producers handled that predicament behind the scenes.

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Let’s consider this False Equivalence between a Dedicated Propaganda Network and what a News outlet produces.

May 5, 2023 #msnbc #foxnews #tuckercarlson

More damning texts from Fox News anchors revealed in a report from The Daily Beast.
It shows Tucker Carlson texting with Brett Baier, who touts “straight news” coordinating misleading election calls with Carlson. It puts a new Fox host in middle of the networks “big lie” scandal after settling the largest defamation case of all time. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports.

May 25, 2023 #FoxNews #Succession #Max

Another billion dollar case is rocking Fox News after it lost the historic Dominion case over alleged lies, and fired anchor Tucker Carlson after damning revelations and evidence from that lawsuit. HBO’s hit show “Succession" channels and critiques Rupert Murdoch’s empire, and has lessons and a warning for today’s billionaire era. In this exhaustive cultural and journalistic report, MSNBC anchor Ari Melber draws on four seasons of the show; real life events in politics, law and media; interviews with the show’s stars from “The Beat,” and data on rising inequality to explore the fictional show’s warning for real life.

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FOX admits it doesnt care about workers whereas CNN pretends it does