Fascism needs to be defined by it's core meaning

Instead of being combative on every point, have you ever considered helping a person work out the problems they recognize within themselves? You are always combative against me on everything I say regardless of what I say, and that is a flaw on your part as much as it is my own flaw. CC acknowledged an aspect of my argument and asked that I go into further detail.

When he did this it made me realize that I was doing the very thing that I thought people on this forum were doing to me. I hardly ever gave credit to people like CC, W4U, and Mriana on the perspectives we agree on. I just targeted the aspects that I disagreed with. I can’t even blame you Lausten in the mess of all this. I need to give credit where credit is due.

I tried that, still do it, you don’t respond very well to feedback.

patently false. this is an example of what I just said about you and feedback.

yep

exactly

Banking institutions providing customer banking information to the government

Authoritarianism? Totalitarianism?
Another -ism?
I would think it would be an -ism that has an economic control.

One characteristic of the totalitarian states is that they despise the pones they see as ennemies.

Hitler despised the weakness of the democracies, and after he had annexed Austria and part of Czechoslovakia, he thought that they would not dare make war for Poland.

Let’us hope that Chinese leaders, or Putin, will not make the same mistake.

Okay guys. Can I bring this back to the original question?

Everytime I look at the title:

Fascism needs to be defined by its core meaning?

I’m wondering what’s the point of the question?
What are you trying to say?

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Well, it was a troll as far as I’m concerned. I don’t look up names of fallacies anymore, but it’s the one where you go back and find some ancient definition, say that’s what the word means, they use that to talk about modern versions of fascism. He was trying to rewrite it so any movement that wanted to accomplish something could be called fascist.

I just posted something Philosophy with Steven Pinker. He has had this critique, that his books about how well the Enlightenment has created peace and health, is just a way for him to create a dominant narrative for White Western thinking.

Oh, that’s clarifying. I was thinking “core” as in central, as opposed to core as in historic.

Oh dear, Steven Pinker, the peacock. Is that at your blog?

I think Mitch wanted to mean “historic”, but he did too much unclear posting. He tried to argue with me that it was not intentional, but I had to silence him.

The Pinker post is in the Philosophy category on this forum, should still be at the top. I haven’t been doing much blogging lately. I’m about half way through my novel. I’ll have a new section of the Superior Hiking Trail on the blog this week, but I’m kind of done writing about religion for now.

I’m imagine there’s a bit of relief in that for you.

Share a link to that Superior Hiking Trail article when it’s up.

As in Lake Superior, or a superior trail?

This is the latest that’s up. We did the next three miles. The links guide you back through to the southern terminus. Every entry has a link to the SHT page

Nice, I always wanted to get up that way. Have some good friends and river buddy that were from south of Lake Superior, part Indian enough to belong to one of the tribes and have access to sweet places. Always wanted to tag along as they’ve go back to visit there folks every few years. That one never happened. Now their parents are very aged and sick, and we’re old and spread out, each with their own commitments, so alas I think that window of opportunity has closed on me.

Sure seems like a nicer topic than fascism

Governments formally label their party ideals with terms that often steal away the generic meaning. For instance, in Canada, the “Liberal Party” doesn’t assure that they are ‘liberal’ given they have a belief in the founding principles of conserving aspects of the country’s original founders bound to the English Monarchy and the preservation of Catholicism for a separate school system.

“Fascism”, as a general term, as meant politically in the context of the Facist classed parties of the early 1900s referred to the original meaning of collective tribes of a specific shared cultural belief. It is generally referred to as ‘Right-wing’ ideology because it relates to the conservative favoritism of family as a priority versus universal collectivism of all cultures.

To compare, let’s use the general political division between the Republicans and the Democrats in the American system, based upon their basic defining aspects. Democrats (a Left wing ideology) believes that priority should respect EACH person as ‘equivalent’ in value to a vote; Republicans, by contrast, believe by priority that the general population should not be treated ‘equivalent’ but that specific classes of people with certain qualities of authority should represent more value over others. This originated from Plato’s concept of favoring a “philosopher King”. Don’t confuse the meanings with actual reality though because the qualifying beliefs about what is ‘authoritative’ differs from the Unites States original foundation that gave them their ‘electoral college’, those supposedly intellectually independent authorities philosophically divorced from political biases and imposed upon to act as representatives by a sense of duty, as per Plato’s concept of the Philosopher Kings.

The concept of ‘fascism’ relates to all of our ancestral tribal days when distinct tribes argued that the strength of an individual straw is weak but that a collection is unbreakable. The borrowing of this by the political origins of the “Facists” (formal party class label) referred an additional point: that there are different kinds (ie, strains) of people based upon the “aboriginal” inhabitants of a region, as opposed to the influence of immigrants through time.

See how this is “right-wing” in that their conservation is in favor of some believed PRIOR state of cultural ideals, which almost always tie into something believed to be of some specific religious ideology. The modern conservative will use the term, ‘family’ or ‘family values’ as their marked priority and refers to this indirectly.

So fascism is the ideal of collective representation of some specific culture believed to be based upon the native historical peoples of some defined country. Note that the North Americans tend to ignore the literal Indigenous peoples’ as distinctly a part of their meaning of this because they define the formal foundation of the ‘country’ as what counts. The prior peoples, though some may respect, are not counted in this because they are thought of more akin to animals …especially given the fact that to this day, the ‘reservation’ system still exists here.

I have pleny of learned background understanding of the logical foundations that even most fighters against fascism are aware of. But note that the Leftwinged ideologies have a form of this belief too. The difference might be to think of them as collective fascism given the predominant beliefs of most of the plural groups on the Left are also conservative but would side with the Left under a tacit agreement not to offend each other’s groups when they generally lack the same power as the traditional conserving wealth of the largest monoculturalism that exists there.

I also happen to agree that this needs spelling out because our society is actually fostering what will potentially and likely end up going against any good intentions that many on the Left thinks they are supporting of reparations and reconciliations of the Natives by arousing their actual Indigenous’ pride in Nationalist ideologies. For instance, in Canada, we are rushing through a Multiculturalist agenda that believes in segregating people based upon one’s racial or genetic identity and some arrogant belief that some ancestral ‘culture’ is inheritable. This sets a dangerous precedence that is going unnoticed precisely because THERE ARE similar groups who DO believe in their own isolation.

So the OP has a definitely correct inference to this relationship but may (and is likely) fostering the false flags regarding the underlying logic of the political ideologies at hand. The Left winged ideologies tend towards this too and why you get what initially begins as ‘democratic’ intentions turning into totalitarian dictatorships, like North Korea. But note that these Socialist countries are also “republican”, and this may be a relevant issue. When you get any authoritative class becoming empowered by even the most intentionally designed system, it collapses when there becomes a distinguishing class of them passing on a culture of their offspring to the same positions of power by inheritance rather than merit. Even Marx should have known this given the cycles he argued in this same logic.

Edit: changed last word from “concern” to “logic”. I apologize for some long running sentences and where they get too hard to re-read, I will re-edit to make them more clear if need be.

Hey Scott. Welcome back. I hope you like the new look. The rules have not changed, although some of the players have. Hope you stick around.

Yes, I will stick around. But I couldn’t re-introduce myself. A pop-up enters the title space and shakes with an empty box. I cannot determine the issue.

Hmm. A title is required for a new thread, and it has to be at least 15 characters long. It could be trying to get you to do that.

Thanks. I’ll try again. I was able to draft it though.