Yup, science is dedicated to studying the natural world.Is the mind natural, or supernatural ? and what does it tell us about ID theory ? It is way beyond time to stop feeding the troll. I've heard that often, but have mixed feelings. For whatever deterministic reasons, I've been fascinated by and increasingly driven to struggling with figuring out that ability to totally block out most of reality. Adonai confronts me with shit I don't even know is out there, so it's informative. And it forces me to work on better describing what I'm thinking and feeling, since I do appreciate I come from a mighty freaky angle for most people. <span style="color:gray](anyone here ever read Hermann Hesse's "Narcissus and Goldmund" "> and I want to write about it more. For instance, I rather like my little greenman spiel up there, would have never happened without Adonai nudging me. Now that that's crystalized, it's fodder for more… as the beat goes on. ________________________________________________ I looked at the page he linked to, it's quite the fantastic piece of self-rationalization. Of course, they never realize that following their own written logic negates a personal god, revealing their ancient texts and tenets to be purely manmade. Firmly entrenched within their bubble. As Spock] would say "interesting", but then again so did Arte]. :coolsmirk:
Fair enough. Actually, I’ve enjoyed reading your comebacks. Adonai’s responses? not so much. His links to the self-referential website grew tiresome long ago.
His links to the self-referential website grew tiresome long ago.True dat. But, it is an indication of how well he understands the subject of his choosing. :zip:
Yup, science is dedicated to studying the natural world.Is the mind natural, or supernatural ? ... "The Greeks are said to have discovered the mind, but it is more likely that they were the first to talk at great length about what they saw within themselves and thus construct the contingencies needed for introspection. The "Great Conversation" of Plato's Academy would have created contingencies under which more and more of the beginnings of behavior would be seen. It must have been a puzzling world. We see the public world about us, but we also feel, hear, taste, and smell it. We do nothing with an inner world but "see" it. It is not surprising that the Greeks called it metaphysical. Unfortunately, what they saw occurred at just the time and place to be mistaken for a cause of what they then did, and it was therefore easy to suppose that they had discovered an originating self or mind. If what they saw was simply an early part of what they then did, how- ever, it was no more a cause of the rest of what they did than the backswing of a golfer is the cause of the stroke that strikes the ball. Early parts of behavior affect later parts, but it is the behavior as a whole that is the product of variation and selection." B.F. Skinner There is nothing supernatural about what we refer to as the "mind".