Does something being automatic mean it's not you?

Well in this case it’s because we got far removed from the first post I made here that I ended up with microtubule nonsense.

But as with the pathwaytohappiness people, it still bugs me and despite therapy and such what I read still hurts and affects me.

Just for your information in the darkness, Every modern organism on earth processes information via microtubules, and you are no exception.

What you feel, what you experience, what makes you a living, breathing sentient organism is due to a nano-scale bi-polar coil that processes all the information that keeps you informed of your environment.

This is not something to denegrate or dismiss. On the contrary, it is something to celebrate as it is one of the few things you have in common with the rest of life on earth.

You have said that isn’t known. It’s annoying how often you say how important they are, then after 5 days of questions, you say it’s only a few people who think that and are working on it.

Microtubules are near ubiquitous cytoskeletal components in eukaryotes. They play key roles in intracellular transport, are a primary determinant of cell morphology, form the structural correlate of the mitotic spindle, and are the functional core of cilia. Microtubules are very abundant in the nervous system,

Relatively few people know that all of life on earth has this little self-organizing coiled tube in common and because it is so old it has evolved to transport a wide variety of electrochemical data.

Aside from being the cytoskeleton that allows for intercellular communication, it controls cell division; it controls shape; it controls motility, it controls photosynthesis; it controls brain function.

It is the data processing system where YOU reside. The microtubule/synaptic network is the template on which AI is based.

It occupies a very large scientific research area in neural science and consciousness, now that we can see things at that fine grain level.

Look at this accurate representation of the flagella motor that self-organizes and functions completely autonomously in bacteria but allows that bacteria to swim and maneuver.

Note that this is not an endorsement of theism on my part.

Cool video, ironically I watched that yesterday or the day before.
Amazing and the reverse gear is pure genius.

It boggles the mind.
But if you consider the earth as an active laboratory that has performed some
2 trillion, quadrillion, quadrillion, quadrillion experiment during its lifetime, and that these experiments happen not one by one but in tandem, the mathematical nature of physics makes the probability of complex self-organization almost a certainty.

As atheist, I cannot help but assume that the mathematical essence of nature acts in a quasi-intelligent manner, driven only by natural dynamics.

We’ve been over this, nature is not mathematical or intelligent.

The Universe is a mathematical object and mathematics are quasi=intelligent in essence.

You are still hung up on the notion that humans invented mathematics rather than discovered the mathematics of the universe.

Humans did not invent Universal constants. They emerged with the cooling of the BB plasma and the emergence of interactive physical values.

This mathematical order is often mistaken for Intelligent Design and the machinations of God(s).

Incorrect, the universe is not a mathematical object, we invented math.

That’s because we did, we invented the math and made it fit the world around us.

We also did invent universal constants.

Again you know nothing.

Obviously you are not a cosmologist. They are the ones who discover the mathematics of the universe. All humans do is symbolize the maths for our convenience. Humans use human maths to prove Universal mathematics.

Human maths are descriptive of Universal maths. Else it wouldn’t work, would it?
Peter Higgs predicted the Higgs boson purely through maths. His maths were correct and when applied at Cern, they produced the Boson from the Higgs field.
The Higgs field recognized Higgs’ applied values and responded with the production of the boson for an instant before it decayed, because the boson cannot exist independently, it is a mathematical object (potential) of a field.

Higgs boson

On 4 July 2012, the discovery of a new particle with a mass between 125 and 127 GeV/c2 was announced; physicists suspected that it was the Higgs boson.[30][j][31][32] Since then, the particle has been shown to behave, interact, and decay in many of the ways predicted for Higgs particles by the Standard Model, as well as having even parity and zero spin,[7][8] two fundamental attributes of a Higgs boson. This also means it is the first elementary scalar particle discovered in nature.[33]
Higgs boson - Wikipedia

Scalar (mathematics)

A scalar is an element of a field ; A scalar product ; A quantity described by multiple scalars, such as having both direction and magnitude, is called a vector.
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Scalar_(mathematics)

Therefore , on July 4, 2012 we “discovered” a mathematical object called “Higgs boson”

You might as well say that humans invented “biology” because we invented the language of biochemistry, which is obviously an erroneous notion. We invented the words that describe biology, just as we invented (mathematical) words to describe Universal mathematics.

That’s not what cosmology is about. Also we don’t prove universal mathematics we invented it. There is no universal math.

Naturally being able to predict things within the models we ourselves created isn’t much of a shocker.

We did invent biology. You’re slow aren’t you.

It is not that we can, it is how we can. If human maths were not symbolically descriptive of natural functional mathematics, none of it would work!

Biology did not exist before we gave it a name?
Humans are the creators of natural phenomena?

Do I detect a little hubris here?

Again that is simply not the case. We made the model so of course working within it would lead it to work. Also human maths aren’t symbolically descriptive of natural functional math because there is no natural functional math.

Yes, exactly. And in a sense we are creators of natural phenomenon.

Let’s get one thing clear. Humans are not a cause.
We are a result of 13.7 billion years of universal processes.
The Universe created us, not the other way around.

Global warming and a lot of plastic in the oceans is what humans have created.

Humans are in fact a cause. In some sense we did create the universe.

Well, so do viruses.

Humans are an invasive species, a parasite that kills its host, and most probably will be causal to our own extinction.
If you want to call that creative, be my guest. I call it destructive in a minuscule area of the universe that doesn’t give a hoot about us.

To the universe we are no more important than ants, which actually may outlive us, because they can adapt to everything we can throw at them.

Watch this excellent (if dated) movie:

Incorrect.

Also incorrect.

Then state your case on what data you base our godlike status on.

Exclaiming “incorrect” is not debating the issues. It merely indicates ignorance.

Weird how you can apply this to a discussion on math, but not your thinking on feelings. Write4U is never going to change his posts. You’re both wrong. It’s a philosophical debate, so there is no answer. You’re both just picking a side and defending it for your own entertainment. All heat. No light.