Does anybody remember this?

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The Tuskegee syphilis study

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American Male was a clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service...

…(who) started the study in 1932 in collaboration with Tuskegee University (then the Tuskegee Institute), a historically black college in Alabama. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished, African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama.

Of these men, 399 had latent syphilis, with a control group of 201 men who were not infected.

As an incentive for participation in the study, the men were promised free medical care, but were deceived by the PHS, who disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment.

The men who had syphilis were never informed of their diagnosis, despite the risk of infecting others, and the fact that the disease could lead to blindness, deafness, mental illness, heart disease, bone deterioration, collapse of the central nervous system, and death…

… The men were initially told that the study was only going to last six months, but it was extended to 40 years…

… None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that by 1947, the antibiotic had become the standard treatment for syphilis…

… The study continued, under numerous Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination on November 16 of that year. The victims of the study, all African-American, included numerous men who died of syphilis, 40 wives who contracted the disease and 19 children born with congenital syphilis…


The study was ended in 1972 due to a whistle blower. I bring it up now, as it shows that the U.S. Federal Government and part of their medical community, obviously did not consider poor black lives to matter very much. As the poor black Americans were just naïve Federal Public Health Service Lab rats for 40 years of their syphilis infected lives.

It only took another 25 years for a POTUS to apologize for the atrocity.

And who remembers?

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I wasn’t there, much less alive in 1932, but I know about Miss Evers boys via the movie about the study, which led me to do research on it. It is one of the reasons many black people are afraid to see a doctor.

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It only took another 25 years for a POTUS to apologize for the atrocity.
Atrocity? I don't have syphilis. It's not the US Government's fault if I contracted STD or stubbed my toe on a rock. What's wrong with you?
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Atrocity? I don’t have syphilis. It’s not the US Government’s fault if I contracted STD or stubbed my toe on a rock. What’s wrong with you?
What is wrong with you??? Get syphilis if you wish. I am not talking about the government being responsible for people getting STD's! CAN YOU READ AND ALSO COMPREHEND WHILE DOING SO? If so, try again.
… the men were promised free medical care, but were deceived by the PHS, who disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment.

The men who had syphilis were never informed of their diagnosis, despite the risk of infecting others, and the fact that the disease could lead to blindness, deafness, mental illness, heart disease, bone deterioration, collapse of the central nervous system, and death…

… The men were initially told that the study was only going to last six months, but it was extended to 40 years…

… None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that by 1947, the antibiotic had become the standard treatment for syphilis…

… The study continued, under numerous Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination on November 16 of that year.

The victims of the study, all African-American, included numerous men who died of syphilis, 40 wives who contracted the disease and 19 children born with congenital syphilis…


Around the time that this ATROCITY was divulged to the public, it was discussed as being “unethical”. DUH.

Yes, I would say that CONSPIRACY THAT RESULTS IN THE DEATHS OF HUMANS is profoundly unethical.

Do you not realize that administrators of the federal Dept of Health Services and the many doctors involved over the 40 years, conspired to use humans as unknowing experimental subjects that lead to harm to most of those humans, and the deaths of some of them, and thusly those administrators and doctors committed murder????

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And I bring it up in our time, because it was a federal institution, the Public Health Services, that lead the 40 year murder and the doctors who also conspired to carry it out, chose as their victims, poor black men.

White people in the federal government, and doctors who are considered to be among the most honorable of professions, conspired such that poor black men, were essentially murdered by a long term, insidious, pathology that lead directly to their premature deaths.

Sort of rhymes with what goes on and on, in a spiral, up to the present day.

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What is wrong with you???
What's wrong with Sree is doesn't read with comprehension. It may be he is not reading very many of the words at all. It may be he is not a real person but a computer program that just picks out words and writes things that will evoke a response.
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Maybe he simply has a vicious heart and hate filled soul?

Yes I remember when that study came out, it was big news back in my high school days, well for liberal idealistic types who have a tendency to respect the other when at all possible.

It’s also a tragic reminder of how ingrained racism and that sense of white’s entitled superiority complex is. Born out of insecurity, so twice as vicious and imaginative than it needs to be.

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I remember this one, and I remember that it was pretty widely discussed. This was before social media too. I don’t remember where I first heard about it, but it wasn’t some pamphlet handed out on the street.

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If Sree is a bot, at least he is a bot that makes for an easy foil. His inane responses often set the occasion for me to re-iterate certain important (imo) points.

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I remember reading about this, but I thank you for refreshing my memory. I wonder who can possibly benefit from these horribles clinicals studies. Sounds like WW2 experiments tbh

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Thanks for replying axe. I didn’t remember it. I just came across it.

When it came out in 1972, that was long after the stories we learned about grotesque medical experiments by Nazis on concentration camp victims.

Yet, the public reaction to the crime in 1972, was largely concluding that it was unethical. Even that might have been debated by some. But OF COURSE it was unethical! Doctors and the federal govt committing a 40 year offense against humans by not telling them they had syphilis and letting them and whoever else they infected over those 40 years, in which the unknowing subjects and perhaps others suffered resultant injury and death from the same syphilis – That is institutionalized govt sponsored MURDER.

But supporters of that crime (especially at the time) might say "It was for a good cause. Sure hundreds of poor black people suffered and some died (without ever knowing they were victims). But in the interest of health science advancement for all, it was warranted. Is it unethical to try to lessen suffering in the long run? "

Back then they may have supported the statement that “ALL lives matter”. But they didn’t act as if the “ALL” included poor blacks.

 

 

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Do you not realize that administrators of the federal Dept of Health Services and the many doctors involved over the 40 years, conspired to use humans as unknowing experimental subjects that lead to harm to most of those humans, and the deaths of some of them, and thusly those administrators and doctors committed murder?????
If that is how you feel, then be very careful and suspicious of Dr Fauci and Dr Brix. Passing judgment on people of another era by values of today to feel good about yourself is your problem. People eat people once upon a time. Why do you need to find fault of one kind or another with other people just to feel good about who you are? Why not be happy with how far we have come since the time when the government drove spikes in ankles and wrists to crucify people on the cross for speaking out against injustice?
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Passing judgment on people of another era by values of today to feel good about yourself is your problem. -- Sree
Sree you are a hoot. Those values have been around for a few hundred years.
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Sree you are a hoot. Those values have been around for a few hundred years.
Really? How would you know? You do time travel?

“Myth is to be understood not as “falsehood” but in its anthropological meaning: the collective memory of a people about their past, which sustains a belief system shaping their view of the world in which they live.” (James McPherson, Professor of History, Princeton.)

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I was out of high school and in college when this atrocity was outed to the public. 48 years ago is not ancient history.

That is not a bygone era. We were dealing with the same issues of racism and discrimination. A lot of that went underground. But what continued to happen after one racial incident and another and another, and reforms were tried, the system evolved such that it got around the attempted reforms. And that system is still with us today.

Oh and when we got a black President (only 12 thru 4 years ago, also not ancient history), that was apparently too much for some whities. So the latent neo-nazis, white nationalists, and KKK remnants, started coming out of the woodworks. So that now, in the T rump era, we have well over a thousand active white supremacist type groups. And now they have a beloved figurehead running much of the federal govt.

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How would you know? -- Sree
I read. This one is easy. Wikipedia gives you the dates and the names of the acts and laws, so you can verify them easily. That laws changed fairly quickly after Nazi experiments tells you that people knew this was wrong, they just hadn't put it into law yet.
In the aftermath of World War II, and what became recognized as deeply unethical human experimentation carried out by the Nazis, the Nuremberg Code – ethical principles governing international human experimentation – were founded.[3] The code highlighted 3 key elements (voluntary informed consent, favorable risk/benefit analysis, and right to withdraw without repercussions) which later became the foundation for further human research regulations.[4] However, neither the Nuremberg Code nor the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1938 prevented the "thalidomide tragedy" of the early 1960s.[5] Thalidomide was introduced in 1958, and there were reports of it being unsafe for certain groups, such as pregnant women and young children; however, although the Food and Drug Administration did not approve it for market, the existing regulations allowed relatively unrestricted testing of the drug.[5] This led to the abuse of approved drug testing as the means to further a promotional marketing strategy.[5] This was addressed by the Drug Amendments legislation of 1962, which introduced a requirement for a series of animal tests before proceeding with human experimentation, and a total of three phases of human clinical trials before a drug can be approved for the market.[5][6] The inadequacy of the 1938 and 1962 acts was exposed by revelations in the 1960s and 1970s.[3][5]
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1972 is not so long ago. And all that came from the atrocity being outed, as far as I know, is the discussion saying that it should be considered to have been unethical. And then, after 25 more years, a POTUS finally apologized about it.

People want to say how far race relations have improved - how far we’ve come. Well, then you really need to know how terribly debased we were and to recognize that we still have a ways to go.

I heard that some University Cheer team is, now, giving up one of its cheers that used the phrase “Gator Bait”. That is because there was actually a practice in our earlier history, where white hunters would rent a black baby from its mother and set the baby our on the bank of a body of water that had plenty of alligators. The hunter would hide and shoot and kill the gator, hopefully before it could get to the baby. There was even a licorice candy named for the practice.

https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2013/may.htm