That’s what they did. We just don’t know how to establish 2 way communication until we can interpret the brain activity itself.
If we could keep the entire head intact we might be able to communicate via the head’s senses and vocal cords.
But AFAIK, that’s illegal.
Could you explain where you got that impression?
How do you figure that?
Isn’t this what I’m trying to convey?
I don’t know, I’ve never researched this stuff, but “totally” seems a mighty big word. Bodies and accidents are all about gradients of damages, with gradients symptoms.
You say totally excluded… but the heart beats, and organs function, not as good a healthy but somethings going on. Then a tipping point is reach and we die.
Well the brain is housed in the skull, and there’s that blood brain barrier, and that’s about it and we know there’s a lot of other stuff going on, and that the body has this unbelievable ability to cooperate and delegate duties, during times trauma and recovery. We know the outlines, but also have much to learn about unknown unknowns about the tiny structures and systems.
Of course, if the spinal cord is completely severed from the lower body it dies, there is that.
What is that?
And what pray tell does that teach us?
What is the value of that experiment for humanity?
It actually does though.
That’s not the brain in the vat experiment, also theoretically he was wrong since he never actually proved the existence of an I. To doubt sensation is to also doubt the sense of a “me” for what is the self but merely a sense of self.
He had to appeal to god to get out of the hole he dug himself into.
No, you don’t see with your toes. Ironically touch is a full body experience , except for the brain itself.
The brain itself doesn’t feel pain . Though the brain has billions of neurons (cells that transmit sensory and other information), it has no pain receptors. The ache from a headache comes from other nerves — inside blood vessels in your head, for example — telling your brain something is wrong.
Understanding Headaches and Migraines | Brain Institute | OHSU
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To doubt sensation is to also doubt the sense of a “me” for what is the self but merely a sense of self.
Oh but the sense of self is a very fragile construct and can come apart in a hurry.
Q: What are we referring to when we think of the self?
[Anil Seth]: There is some identity that persists over time that is- in some sense- real. This identity receives all these sensory signals and is doing the perceiving, planning actions, holding beliefs, and thinking thoughts.
Unlocking Consciousness, Perception & Self: A Conversation with Professor Anil Seth. – Thought Economics
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He had to appeal to god to get out of the hole he dug himself into.
Yes, but that was then. Today we don’t have to take that into account in context of “self”.
Why not start with more fundamentally explanatory wording?
Understanding that your body is an evolved, biological creature.
The unique body that you inhabit, is your identity, everything you know is processed through that body and its sense which together with your brain - and the act of living - produces your individual unique mind.
We don’t need this sort of riddle making:
“Identity” what for crying out loud, why not just spit it out:
You inhabit this generation’s evolved embodiment of your creature lineage.
Your body/brain is what receives all these sensory signals and is doing the perceiving, planning actions, holding beliefs, and thinking thoughts.
Lausten this is what I’m talking about, a butt backwards way of presenting the situation. Like teaching sex with the birds & the bees.
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