Molecules didn’t led to consciousness!!!
Creatures that needed to interact with an environment led to consciousness, via uncounted generations of variations and refinements .
That’s not really true.
It’s recognized that the spiritual experience is something that originates within your body.
Be fair.
“Religious nuts” are people who believe they are in direct communication with thee God of the Universe and they are God appointed warrior to bring truth to those who don’t believe like they do.
“Religious nuts” are people who believe only their own world outlook is valid and that those who do not believe ought to burn in everlasting hell, and other such niceties.
Right?
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Creatures that needed to interact with an environment led to consciousness, via uncounted generations of variations and refinements .
The very definition of “evolution via natural selection”. Darwin was a brilliant scientist.
Yet was also religious by custom.
Though he thought of religion as a tribal survival strategy, Darwin still believed that God was the ultimate lawgiver , and later recollected that at the time he was convinced of the existence of God as a First Cause and deserved to be called a theist.
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thank you for your thoughts.I don’t think that this limited view on Science is correct.
Science has to be the answer,sui generis,it has always the intension to find all the answers.
Yes,now our knowlegde is limited but never been so great.
We can explain and predict what was once attributed to relegion and God(s).
I believe that we have many more great minds necessary and moments ( like discovery of life on other planets) before we will grasp things like consciousness and the other aspects you discribe.
But,I still struggle every day
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Then I’m in good company.
@ stevenazt
Steven , download Grammarly free spell checker. It’ll help your posting image!
Thank you for the advice. English is indeed not my autocorrect setting.(it is Dutch)
Kindest regards,
Steven
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Thank you for the advice. English is indeed not my autocorrect setting.(it is Dutch)Kindest regards,
Steven
Ik ben ook een Hollander. Welcome to the forum.
Science alone will never be the answer. What we do and why we do it will not be determined by only what we know. People do not have to discover the difference between right and wrong; that knowledge is innate.
There seems to be some evidence that we share what we recognize as morality with other primates. It is difficult to see morality in other kinds of creatures but that could be because of our limited ability to understand them. I can’t dismiss the idea that morality came by evolution but that idea would be difficult to substantiate. Our knowledge of previous creatures doesn’t include observations of their behavior and relationships.
The idea that we know enough to make conclusive statements about what is and what is not in our world and our universe has been around for thousands of years. It has always been wrong. Science has been, and probably always will be, incomplete. That you will die without ever knowing all the answers is simply a fact of life. You should not allow that fact to overwhelm your curiosity or your joy of life. You will do well to learn to enjoy living with what knowledge you have and still be curious.
We learn what we need to do or not do through science. For example, it is science that will get us out of this COVID-19 pandemic and while the info changes frequently, we will figure out how to end it successfully through science. That’s what makes science important concerning solving many of our problems- it constantly updates itself with new information. Religion does not do that.
In the case of things like COVID-19, it takes science to know what is right and wrong in fighting it. It is wrong to go without a mask, especially if one is not fully vaccinated and even then it maybe wrong to go without a mask. The science is telling us what is right and wrong in fighting this virus.
Of course, morality is different issue, but part of it does concern the science- if one doesn’t want to inadvertently kill someone with COVID, wearing a mask is a moral imperative. The innateness of killing being wrong doesn’t go into how not to kill someone, but science can help with that.
Why would be need life on another planet to understand consciousness?
Go figure. We did evolve out of them.
Nice!
Or to put it slightly differently:
In the years since I’ve kept learning more about Earth’s amazing evolution and geophysics and also the scientific process itself .
A process that’s basically a set of rules for gathering and assessing our observations in an honest, open and disciplined manner that all who understand science can participate in and trust because it is a community of skeptical experts who are always looking over each other’s shoulders. It’s also predicated on the notion that fidelity to honesty and truth are rule one.
Too many celebrity talkers have become so infatuated with the wonderful ideas their mind creates, that they lose sight of the actually physical reality they are trying to render.
Science seeks to objectively learn about our physical world, but we ought to still recognize all our understanding is embedded within and constrained by our mindscape.
Religion is all about the human mindscape itself, with its wonderful struggles, fears, spiritual undercurrents, needs and stories we create to give our live’s meaning and make it worth living, or at least bearable.
What’s the point?
Religions, science, same as political beliefs, heaven, hell, art, music, even God they are all products of the human mindscape, generations of imaginings built upon previous generations of imaginings, all the way down.
That’s not to say they are the same thing, they are not! Though I think they’re both valid human endeavors, but fundamentally qualitatively different.
Religion deals with the inside of our minds, hearts and souls, Science does its best to objectively understand the physical world beyond all that, doing its best to factor ego and bias out of the deliberations.
Physical Reality is the physical world of atoms, molecules, universal laws of physics, biology and Earth’s laws of nature. It is Earth’s dance between geology and biology and time and Earth’s evolving creatures, for this discussion, one in particular, one that learned to contemplate the universe along with its short life.
Human Mindscape is all that goes on inside of our minds. The landscape of our thoughts and desires and impulses and those various voices and personalities who inhabit our thoughts and Being. The ineffable ideas that our hands can turn into physical reality and change our planet.