I know that people like you are very close-minded and will never recognized the dogmatism that reign in their wrong logic. Science is almost always done by speculation, any new theory always have speculative elements, actually you can consider any theory as an exercise in speculation, because at the end of the day what we always have of reality are approximate models that try to make predictions based always on assumptions that have to be taken on faith, like axioms/ postulates. Just to list some examples of these assumptions: The uniformity of space, many theories assume implicitly or explicitly that. The constancy of the speed of light, many "predictions" are based on these assumptions that we have no way to fully verify, so we always use speculation.
Now regarding evidence, . . .
My understanding has always been that it is the speculation that comes first,
then the evidence gathering stage,
and then if enough reliable evidence is amassed, a "theory" grows out of the lessons learned from that accumulating evidence.
"I know that people like you are very close-minded"
Why the need for that drama? You know there is a big difference between "closed-minded" and healthy "skepticism".
If you are on to something you should be able to appreciate that other's skepticism is an opportunity for you to WOW them with your evidence.
I look forward to seeing evidence - but please don't expect support for such an extreme notion based on your say-so alone.
Time for some evidence.
The first post with evidence footage was made just before yours.
What’s going on in the 1:40s, looks like the bird(?) is stationary while the sparkly spot is moving?
What would that be evidence of?
Sorry, after 2:00 it won’t play and I’m not going to download it into my computer. So what is that video supposed to be evidence for anyways?
What's going on in the 1:40s, looks like the bird(?) is stationary while the sparkly spot is moving?
What would that be evidence of?
Sorry, after 2:00 it won't play and I'm not going to download it into my computer.
So what is that video supposed to be evidence for anyways?
There is some explanation in the post, please read it. And I said that you need to download the video file and watch it in your local computer in full screen.
An unexplained anomaly is not evidence of plasma-based life. That anomaly looks like it could be an internal reflection in your optics with atmospheric refraction causing the movement. Occam’s Razor, you know.
An unexplained anomaly is not evidence of plasma-based life. That anomaly looks like it could be an internal reflection in your optics with atmospheric refraction causing the movement. Occam's Razor, you know.
Well that is really a very lame explanation to said the least, the video show a footage taken from three cameras, one in IR, one a reflector telescope and the other one a refractor telescope, and each camera was a different model. You have to do better than that, your Occam's Razor is very, very weak to say the least. For people that never really had made optical observations your "explanation" may seen "plausible", but not when you have several cameras recording the same object and that object was tracked for several minutes. It looks like if there are not people here that have done any kind of optical observations this will be almost a waste of time, it will be like talking of Algebraic Geometry to people that only know basic arithmetic. As a reference this is a footage of Mars in daylight taken with the same equipment on Sep 12 2014, but maybe for you that is also an internal optical reflection that occurred in both cameras when the cameras were pointing exactly at the direction that Mars was suppose to be at that time that day.
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/lm9uoi4zbrn929v/184944-mars-in-daylight.mp4]
I know that I am wasting my time with you here, but maybe there is somebody more open-minded in this site, maybe.
Let me repeat here I had several hundred of footage showing anomalies in many different situations, some like this one with a single anomaly, other with anomalies "interacting".
Even more, in this particular anomaly showed in this footage, and this had happened several times already, the anomaly responded to light signals sent in its direction. And let me explain here what I mean that the anomaly responded to light signals sent in its direction. As I mentioned before the anomaly was not visible to the naked eye, I control the equipment remotely indoors, usually when I detect one anomaly I record several minutes of footage first, then I zoom out in the spotter infrared camera and then I go outside where the equipment is located on top of a fixed 8 feet tall pole, I can see then where the cameras are pointing to, I try to look for the object in that direction, in this case nothing was there. Then I took a mirror and I sent mirror reflections in the direction where the cameras were pointing, I usually sent mirror reflections in sequence of prime numbers: I sent 3 reflections, pause, then 5 reflections, pause, 7 reflections, pause, etc. Then when I did this in this object the object appeared as a very bright star in daylight, it did that several times consistently. This had happened before and had happened after that several times. The response was unequivocal.
As I said, unexplained anomalies are not proof of plasma-based life. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
I am giving you a very detailed procedure and tools to observe these anomalies, it is up to you to verify that or not. But as you already have shown your really are a dilettante in this subject, like the superficial and wrong "explanation" of an optical reflection for a footage taken by three cameras. It will be interesting to really see what you really mean by "extraordinary proof", but I already know that people like you can have that proof in front of their faces and never see it People like you really do not even have real scientific curiosity, you just "talk" nothing else.
I am giving you a very detailed procedure and tools to observe these anomalies, it is up to you to verify that or not.
I don't really think that's how science or learning works. >:(
FIRST You need to be able to present convincing evidence supporting your supposition …
After that what people do with it is another thing
You know, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
You have offered a mirage, couldn't drink it even if one wanted to.
But, that's what you are expecting from us.
I already had observed multiple times these plasma-like objects and my goal with this post is to motivate people to make similar observations and verify independently the reality of these objects. If no independent verification is done this will continue to be known for just a very limited number of people and the knowledge gained by this reduced number of people may be lost due to this generalized “social dismissal” of an extraordinary phenomenon.
But I am convinced that since the number of people aware of the reality of these plasma-like objects is growing it will lead to a point were the academic circles that have been blind to this until now will be forced to acknowledge something that have already been confirmed by multiple people all around the world. This is a clear cut case where the documentation and study of something extraordinary is being done by people outside academia and it is not the first time that this had happened, but is really extraordinary that is happening in the 21th century. We are very lucky to have still people that act and think independently even in the age of “organized science”.
The reality of atmospheric anomalies have been known now for a while, but this knowledge have been contained to a very reduced number of people, since these people usually do not have “academic” formation or scientific training their ideas have always been mixed with superstition, subjectivism and misconceptions, but they have been brave and continue to be so, because even in this age of connectivity and rapid spread of information they are mostly alone in their quest.
I have been part of that quest for almost two years now and I have found extraordinary things:
1- Anomalies behave like living beings and usually they have a plasma-like appearance, that is the real genesis behind the initial post in this thread.
2- Anomalies can be systematically observed using “dual optical systems” in any clear sky in daylight at any location in our planet.
3- Some anomalies respond to direct light signals sent in their direction, usually anomalies are not visible to the naked eye because they move at very high altitude and as was explained before they are being masked by the sky scattering of visible light, but they can be detected easily using infrared capable cameras with zoom lens and IR pass filters. But some anomalies that are not visible to the naked when light signals are sent in their direction, I use a mirror for that, they unequivocally respond by increasing their brightness in such a way that they make themselves visible to the naked eye as a very bright star in daylight, this have been witnessed multiple times.
4- As is mentioned in 3, some anomalies respond to light signals sent in their direction, I use a mirror for that. But I do not sent random signals, I sent sequence of reflections following the prime numbers: I sent 3 reflections, pause, then 5 reflections, pause, etc. Well now in several occasions anomalies had responded in a way that is correlated to the signals sent. I mentioned that anomalies are usually plasma-like/amorphous, they change shape in a continues and apparently random way, like amoebas, in several occasions now anomalies have formed shapes representing digits, in one occasion they formed digits “3” and “5” together and in several occasions they have formed digit “3” alone and in one occasion they have formed digit “5” alone.
As is mentioned in previous posts, this is a report of observational claims, and as any observational claim it can be independently confirmed by anyone using the right tools, dual optical systems is one of such tools, these dual optical systems will work better if the searching/spotting part works in the short wave radio portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, as a radar, but they are very effective too if the searching spotting part works in the infrared segment. I have observed and recorded hundreds of anomalies using dual optical system using infrared capable cameras, I had gained a great deal of experience observing these objects, usually they are alone but sometimes I had observed several of them together and acting like living beings interacting.
I am attaching some pictures of a dual optical system, and some anomalies.
Anomalies can be observed systematically by anyone:
"Anyone" who happens to be able to fund a telescope and camera mount with infrared capability, which, I am sad to say, is completely beyond my means. It's not the anomalies themselves that I'm skeptical of, it's your conclusion that they're somehow alive, because they somehow respond to light flashes sent in their direction? And they're what, several MILES up in the stratosphere? Is that really a reasonable conclusion?
More that that, the thing that bothers me is that you think that "organized science" is dismissing you because you don't have scientific training, and moreover is desperately trying to cover up this extraordinary discovery. Why would they do that? Why would anyone do that?
But hey, if you're right it's only a matter of time before the proper "academic circles" jump on the bandwagon and begin studying it! I look forward to reading all about it in National Geographic or Discover any day now!
Now the genesis of these ideas are not plain or idle speculation, it is the result of almost two years of systematic observing anomalies. Anomalies behave in a way that strongly suggest that they are living beings and the usually have a plasma-like appearance, sometimes they are self-luminous. I had observed hundreds of them in many configurations and groups.
For example, yesterday 09/28/14 I tracked a plasma-like self-luminous anomaly from 5:14pm to 5:48pm, not visible to the naked eye but spotted and tracked in infrared, also close-ups footage was taken using a telescope, you can watch that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFLxOw28a0 ]
And just not two hours ago, today 09/29/14 I tracked another one, a blue plasma-like self-luminous anomaly, tracked from 10:59am to 11:40am when it crossed another anomaly that then I tracked, you can watch that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFnVVY8WWZk]
In both cases you will notice the plasma-like/amorphous appearance, these anomalies are pervasive in our planet, even when there is almost absolute ignorance about them in academic circles. But some people have been aware of this reality since the 1950s. Now we have very objective and systematic procedures to spot them and track them.
Now the genesis of these ideas are not plain or idle speculation, it is the result of almost two years of systematic observing anomalies. Anomalies behave in a way that strongly suggest that they are living beings and the usually have a plasma-like appearance, sometimes they are self-luminous. I had observed hundreds of them in many configurations and groups.
For example, yesterday 09/28/14 I tracked a plasma-like self-luminous anomaly from 5:14pm to 5:48pm, not visible to the naked eye but spotted and tracked in infrared, also close-ups footage was taken using a telescope, you can watch that here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFLxOw28a0
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And just not two hours ago, today 09/29/14 I tracked another one, a blue plasma-like self-luminous anomaly, tracked from 10:59am to 11:40am when it crossed another anomaly that then I tracked, you can watch that here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFnVVY8WWZk]
In both cases you will notice the plasma-like/amorphous appearance, these anomalies are pervasive in our planet, even when there is almost absolute ignorance about them in academic circles. But some people have been aware of this reality since the 1950s. Now we have very objective and systematic procedures to spot them and track them.
I have closely observed the anomaly of jeremyjr in these pages. You will notice the plasma-like/amorphous appearance. jeremyjr and similar anomalies are pervasive in our planet, even when there is almost absolute ignorance about them in academic circles. But some people have been aware of this reality since the 1950s. Now we have very objective and systematic procedures to spot them and track them.
Hallelujah!
Lois
At 11:41 today 09/29/14 the anomaly being tracked since 10:59am passed close to a second anomaly and I managed to get a footage where two anomalies are seen in the same field of view of the telescope, that always is an interesting footage, their plasma-like appearance is very clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV7Ny_lMmk8]
Anomalies can be observed systematically by anyone:
"Anyone" who happens to be able to fund a telescope and camera mount with infrared capability, which, I am sad to say, is completely beyond my means. It's not the anomalies themselves that I'm skeptical of, it's your conclusion that they're somehow alive, because they somehow respond to light flashes sent in their direction? And they're what, several MILES up in the stratosphere? Is that really a reasonable conclusion?
More that that, the thing that bothers me is that you think that "organized science" is dismissing you because you don't have scientific training, and moreover is desperately trying to cover up this extraordinary discovery. Why would they do that? Why would anyone do that?
But hey, if you're right it's only a matter of time before the proper "academic circles" jump on the bandwagon and begin studying it! I look forward to reading all about it in National Geographic or Discover any day now!
If you observe them the conclusion that they are alive is a very natural conclusion, and I never said that I have no scientific training, I said that the majority of people that have been aware of the reality of anomalies usually do not have scientific training. You can build a very effective dual optical system for around or less than $100, but as always everything depend on the real interest and will of the person doing this.
Anomalies are a reality and this have been known since the 1950s, read the Trevor J Constable book, published in 1958, "They Live in the sky", he described the same anomalies that are being observed today all around the world and the same ones that I observe in almost a daily basis, as the one yesterday or the ones today.
The continual dismissal of anomalies by "organized science" can really be considered the biggest blunder ever done by science in human history.
jeremyjr, you would look less as a crackpot if you did the following:
Find a meteorologist or a atmosphere physicist, and ask very openly, without suggesting what you think, if he knows what these phenomena are. Explain how you made your pictures, and just ask, with an open mind, what these things could be. You will get either an explanation, or astonishment, or maybe disinterest. In the latter case try to find somebody else. If he is interested, then make an appointment, show your devices, and explain what they do. Maybe he can give you an explanation, maybe you see turbulences in the atmosphere, maybe it is an optical effect of your devices, maybe it still is a mystery. And if he is interested, well, maybe he likes to investigate it too, with or without you.
But just trying to convince people on a forum will not bring you anything. If you would convince some people here, what then? Do we all together go to an atmosphere specialist? And then?
No, if you are serious you take such a way. If you are a crackpot, then you keep on trying to convince people on forums, write blogs, or post more and more videos on youtube.
jeremyjr, you would look less as a crackpot if you did the following:
Find a meteorologist or a atmosphere physicist, and ask very openly, without suggesting what you think, if he knows what these phenomena are. Explain how you made your pictures, and just ask, with an open mind, what these things could be. You will get either an explanation, or astonishment, or maybe disinterest. In the latter case try to find somebody else. If he is interested, then make an appointment, show your devices, and explain what they do. Maybe he can give you an explanation, maybe you see turbulences in the atmosphere, maybe it is an optical effect of your devices, maybe it still is a mystery. And if he is interested, well, maybe he likes to investigate it too, with or without you.
But just trying to convince people on a forum will not bring you anything. If you would convince some people here, what then? Do we all together go to an atmosphere specialist? And then?
No, if you are serious you take such a way. If you are a crackpot, then you keep on trying to convince people on forums, write blogs, or post more and more videos on youtube.
I was wondering if you were going to weigh in GdB.
Now you have and as expected it's very sound advice and a good addition to this thread, thanks.
If you observe them the conclusion that they are alive is a very natural conclusion.
Obviously I haven't been observing them as much as you have, but from the little I've seen of your vids, they do not give me the impression of being alive. Frankly, most of them look like stars or possibly satellites. When you zoom in very close, you get the "amorphous" effect that could just be the atmosphere scattering the light. But... then again you have some pictures that show them grouped into what you call "recognizable shapes". I have no idea what that is. I don't want to suggest that they're airplanes with light reflecting off the fuselage because you will accuse me of simply being dismissive. I think you need to follow the advice above and find someone who knows about atmospheric phenomena.