I think his years of diligently trying to warn of the coming societal destruction, now that it is arriving, and now that things have gone to hell in a handbasket, and still the LIARS, and confabulators, and the obscurers of truth, and the deniers of reality, and the promoters of death ARE STILL GOING as strong as ever – I think it is getting to him.
I wonder why it has not gotten to more people.
How about people who are realistically pessimistic, and rage against the perpetrators who are the realistic reason for pessimism? Do you think there is something wrong with those people? Or do you just admire stoicism so much that you prefer that people only quietly abide suffering that is the result of the behavior of others?Occasional pessimism is normal. Chronic pessimists like CC are never realistic and they never bring anything helpful to the table. Their true goal is turning everything into their own pity party.
If someone were behaving in a way that risked the life of a family member of yours, would you do or say anything about it? Or would you consider that to be whiney?I would just get rid of the problem and be done with it, but that's a different story from what we're talking about.
I would just get rid of the problem and be done with it, but that’s a different story from what we’re talking about.Perhaps so. But it is intriguing. Did any options pop to mind, as to how you could "get rid of the problem"?
Occasional pessimism is normal. Chronic pessimists like CC are never realistic and they never bring anything helpful to the table.Right and that's why I'm the one that can stack up serious scientific studies to support his claims - while you can't get past one-liners, innuendo, and derision.
TimB, thank you, you’re a wise fellow. I agree with your comments.
Lausten, I’m afraid you’ve sunk way into personal defensiveness, it’s unbecoming.
CC: Bet you can’t point out one damned serious minute in either video – I dare you to try – would love hear were that video or its makers had anything but brainwashing on their minds! But all that you say we are supposed to forgive and turn the other cheek?)Lausten: I already did that. This is totally unhinged. I’m not taking any bets from you. I didn’t give anything a pass. You have moved into “things that are difficult to be unsaid” territory with me. You get lot more leeway as online friend, but “friend” is becoming a difficult word for me to maintain with you.
#328323 Sure. But first, what did it actually say? How does cytochrome B disprove evolutionary trees, for example?
#328357 So, I realize CitizensChallenge3 might be a little off-putting, but he did exactly what you asked. He took a fact and showed the source data that showed it was wrong. And yet, you say, “I’m just looking for answers”. How many of those do we need to do before you consider your questions answered? Does every line in the video have to be a lie? Half of them?
I realize some of these can be rather complex. But did you look up anything? Did you look up the thing about fossils not appearing in the right order? I’m not going to find a link for you right now, but my guess is, that one is a problem with not understanding how geology works, given that childish graphic of arrows pointing to layers of rock.
So, until you show me that you are willing to do some work here, don’t expect much from me.
#328369 - We step into the muddy dung laden gutter.
Makes me the enemy - while the video is handled as though it were a serious effort.
#328751 - What do you mean the glad-hand the deceptive manipulator - that is exactly what we are talking about. If you think that’s distraction it’s no wonder I make no sense to you.
Comic book villains are not the concern here - it is the intelligent, strategic, sociopathic mind and the mischief that started with the Murdochs, got supercharged with the Kochs and that hatred filled Republicans such as the Newt Gingrich and his teapartiers and has since totally walked off the cliff.
I mean guy there calls me a wack job and ridicules me because I’m convinced we are destroying our Earth’s biosphere, which we incidentally need for our human survival (not that Republican seem to give a flying F for what happens tomorrow. As their hubristic disregard for COVID-19 and listening to experts highlights - and he’s still love by that 40%) - not to mention the purposeful deliberate vandalizing of democratic standards and social “norms” of honest and respect and little humility.
Lausten why have you never endorses the internal basics of the two style of debate I keep trying to drag into these discussions?
"Scientific Debate" where better learning/understanding is the goal and honestly representing physical facts and the other's notions is paramount.And the “Political Debate” where winning is all that matters - rhetoric and emotional mastery and disregard for honesty is king in this arena, yet I try to enlarge on that dialogue it’s all crickets.
I endorse the internal basics of the two styles of debate.
I’m Lausten North, and I approve this message.
I mean guy there calls me a wack job and ridicules me because I’m convinced we are destroying our Earth’s biosphereI think we pretty well agree on our assessments of oneguy. It's how to handle lovescience that we were debating. At this point, I'm guessing he's sitting back enjoying how he started a slapping match.
you bet.
And this was the best you can do
I endorse the internal basics of the two styles of debate.I’m Lausten North, and I approve this message.
Hey Lausten guess buried in your PSA is the assumption that they are on an equal footing.
Well done! 
Hey Lausten guess buried in your PSA is the assumption that they are on an equal footing.What?
This is a forum, not an essay test. I’m not required to write something (“using my own words” as our teachers used to say) just to satisfy you.
No not required - but that doesn’t mean I can’t try to challenge you to see if you can offer anything constructive.
Silence - it’s the devil’s tool. 
Not as a moderator, but as one of the top five posters on this forum, what you’re doing is trolling. No one else on social media accuses me of being silent.
Wow, now you’re pulling the moderator card on me and you haven’t even resorted to blue ink - what is up with that?
First you give me shit, when it’s the videos that deserve having shit heaped on them because they are acts of pure deception from the first seconds forward. You’re mad at me because I’m such a mean harsh fellow who apparently hurts everyone’s feelings with his fact-based bullying. But rather than offer some serious counseling about evolving my approach, you get all defensive and it all goes down hill, I’m the bad guy, not the Creationists - now I’m talking to a moderator rather than a human whom I respect so much that what you say has a real impact on me. And that’s had me beating myself up with the usual (ain’t the first I’ve been told to shut up because no one cares - but then I look at the state of our world and wonder who’s the jerks, me or all the apathetic don’t rock the boaters.) and tasting pure hopelessness again. But all you got insecurity and defensiveness. Very disappointing.
Two styles of debate, means nothing.
Distinction between what unfolds within our florid minds and what unfolded within our Evolutionary material world of Earth and the Universe, means nothing.
Difference between honesty and deliberate lies, nothing.
A fraud like lovescience comes along with candy in his hand and ill intentions in his hearts and you say let him feed the children, I have no way of reading my mind.
No I can’t read his mind but I can read his words and make calculations based on his words and the video he chooses and on his follow up.
so, WHY NOT?
I didn’t even finish reading your post CC. How is starting the post with “not as a moderator” equal to “pulling the moderator card”? I read a few more accusations that are completely ungrounded, as if you are talking about someone other than me. You’ve created something in your head and are arguing with that.
Perhaps so. But it is intriguing. Did any options pop to mind, as to how you could “get rid of the problem”?If someone was threatening the lives of my family I would kill that person. Easy.
Sure.
What if they were threatening a good friend? a neighbor? a random person in your city? a person that looks like an undocumented alien? a black man? a white Nazi man? an American Indian? an Asian person? an old person? a random human baby?
I’m thinking that for most of those, you would be in the camp of “Let them fend for themselves.” Of course, I think you would kill to save a random human baby, but I have been wrong before.
I’d do the same for anyone in danger but family comes first.
Very good. As you were.