Spin and garbage? Did you bother reading the Rolling Stone article I linked? I'm beginning to figure out Trump supporters now. You reject anything that does not support your ideologies. This is known as deliberate ignorance, and that is the worst kind of ignorance. You rail against this country's ills while not realizing you are the problem. It is not spin and garbage when people point out how many of Trump's businesses have gone bankrupt. It is not spin and garbage when Trump supporters assault a homeless man and Trump, instead of doing the right thing and condemning them, dismisses the assault as passion. It is not spin to call Trump racist after he branded Mexicans as rapists and drug dealers. You might want to acquaint yourself with facts.Had you quoted The Wall Street Journal, then yes, I would have taken my time to read the article. And if these personal and political election spin items are all you have to work with, then I don’t want to waste my time. When you get into real issues of substance then we can talk. As you call people ignorant, by not knowing Trump went bankrupt many times. All you are doing is showing your ignorance in business and the election process. There were times when government policy made bankruptcy the smart move for many businesses because of liability laws. And you are trying to put Trump down for being smart. That will not work with people who understand business. And if you are buying into the all Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers spin and not concerned about Hillary’s emails, which are not spin, then you are the one that is biased. Then picking on Trump supporters is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. And if I used your lines of thought, I would be calling it racist. Which has not been done, so it seems to me the Trump supporters are the ones who really have the ethical standards here.
I just read the Rolling Stone article…it seems like mostly spin and garbage to me.
You should get music and cultural news from Rolling Stone, not political news. Not saying Rolling Stone hasn’t published great political exposes in the past.
Just that, this isn’t one of them.
The article starts out by saying that the assailant purportedly said those racist things…
That’s all you need to know.
After that we can play conjecture games about how Trump felt when he was cornered by the press demanding a reply for a possible contrivance.
But the only thing we need to know about that article is…it starts out by saying that the assailant purportedly said those racist things…
That’s it!
Plus Rolling Stone hasn’t been known for it’s journalistic integrity in recent years.
And Mike’s right about the bankruptcy thing. It’s just another tool in the capitalist’s bag of tricks.
Only a stupid businessman would not use bankruptcy if he needed it.
So there’s that.
Plus roughly 50% of Americans are tired of the illegal immigration problem in this country.
Hell, it took Europe about 6 months to come to that conclusion recently!! But hey, they’re more politically astute over there.
That’s the bottom line!!
What’s the deal with putting down the Rolling Stone? Especially Mike, who links to things used by Fox Mulder.
In 2008, Taibbi was awarded the National Magazine Award in the category "Columns and Commentary" for his Rolling Stone columns.[25] He won a Sidney Award in 2009 for his article "The Great American Bubble Machine".[26]
The Democratic Party itself is now view by many as a socialist party.Mike, I wonder if you define what "socialism" is? I wonder if you define the difference between "socialism" and "communism"?
What's the deal with putting down the Rolling Stone?Aren't they a bunch of Berkeley California SDS underground radicals? . . . or something like that? :grrr:
You're right Mike. I underestimated the stupidity of the American public. I believed that Trump's outrageous statements would torpedo his campaign, instead they have bolstered his popularity among people who cannot think rationally. I figured out Trump a long time ago, it is his supporters who have me baffled.Darron, you live in a Bubble. The American people are stupid to you because there is a large enough segment of them who don't share your views. The funny thing is, when you move to Denmark, what are you going to do about some of the policies over there that are being implemented that mirror exactly the sentiment Trump is portraying? Or Sweden, or Germany, or Austria, or Poland etc etc.... Funny it took those nations all of about 1 year to come to their conclusions.
Darron, you live in a Bubble. The American people are stupid to you because there is a large enough segment of them who don't share your views.I don't think most Americans understand the political arguments of their friends, let alone any candidate. That's why they point to things like the Bible, or what Bill O'Reilly said. They can't form the thought for themselves, so they act like a tourist in Paris, they point and talk loud and slow. It's not that Darron (or I) is having trouble understanding their logic, it's that they lack logic. Worse, they don't recognize that they lack logic. I've used the authority card, but I knew I was doing it. I say things like, "I read one article on that, but I need to research it more", or "Bernie said X, and I'm trusting him for now." If you are using an argument from authority, it's not a fallacy unless you claim you are certain based only on that. That's the thing that I don't get people not understanding. I can explain it technically now, but that shouldn't be necessary. I understood it intuitively back in High School when teachers or friends made broad claims about things that I knew little about. I understood that it was my job to learn. As for those other countries, I don't see how that is relevant. Sure, Trump is not an American only phenomenon, just our unique spin. There are crazy conservatives all over.
The Democratic Party itself is now view by many as a socialist party.Mike, I wonder if you define what "socialism" is? I wonder if you define the difference between "socialism" and "communism"? TimB in post #10 says it best. I have always thought that communism is just one more layer of control over socialism. Personally they both end up over years operating like the Mafia and are nothing more than a caste system. Egypt of the past had the best system. It was built on capitalism, but it also understood the problem of greed in capitalism. This greed cause the earth to become unbalanced. The Pharaohs job was to keep the world in balance. So on an average of once in every twenty years the Pharaoh would re-balance the world by redistributing the wealth. That system worked for a very long time. The re-balancing would open the doors for new capitalists. Today people don’t want to be capitalists. Too many regulations and taxes. And the world needs to be re-balanced. But taking from the rich and giving to the government is not re-balancing. The doors need to be reopened for new small town capitalists.
I don't think most Americans understand the political arguments of their friends, let alone any candidate. That's why they point to things like the Bible, or what Bill O'Reilly said.That's what you(don't) think? That's pretty simple. We just wrap that up in that little blanket and we have a solid understanding of the American People. What's "most" American people Lausten? 60%? 70%? 90%?
I have always thought that communism is just one more layer of control over socialism.That is another point where your beliefs do not align with facts.
The most defining trait in my view is that Trump supporters don’t want the country to become a socialist country. Because socialist’s (sic) countries often fall into communism. The country is moving in the direction of communism and Trump supporters feel that he will change the direction the country is heading. The Democratic Party itself is now view by many as a socialist party.Which socialist countries have fallen into communism?
A question for those who defend Trump.
What, specifically, has he proposed that you think is good?
I don't think most Americans understand the political arguments of their friends, let alone any candidate. That's why they point to things like the Bible, or what Bill O'Reilly said.That's what you(don't) think? That's pretty simple. We just wrap that up in that little blanket and we have a solid understanding of the American People. What's "most" American people Lausten? 60%? 70%? 90%? More than half. Most people don't vote. What does that tell you? Do you watch the interviews of people coming out of rallies? They say things like "he doesn't believe in being politically correct". What the hell does that mean? I've asked people what they mean by "wanting their america back". I get pretty weird answers.
I have always thought that communism is just one more layer of control over socialism.That is another point where your beliefs do not align with facts. What I understand the facts are. Is that Socialism and Communism are theories, no country has ever accomplished the theory yet in true form.
I have always thought that communism is just one more layer of control over socialism.That is another point where your beliefs do not align with facts. What I understand the facts are. Is that Socialism and Communism are theories, no country has ever accomplished the theory yet in true form. You said socialism often leads to communism. I asked what countries have gone from socialist to communist and now you come back trying to weasel out of the question. Well, you kind of answered it. If no country has practiced socialism or communism in its true form then obviously no country has even gone from socialism to communism and your assertion is untrue.
The article starts out by saying that the assailant purportedly said those racist things.... That's all you need to know. After that we can play conjecture games about how Trump felt when he was cornered by the press demanding a reply for a possible contrivance. But the only thing we need to know about that article is...it starts out by saying that the assailant purportedly said those racist things.... That's it!No, it isn't. The important point is that Trump did not condemn the behavior, alleged or true, but that he described his followers as passionate, giving tacit approval to the assault.
A question for those who defend Trump. What, specifically, has he proposed that you think is good?What I think is good is that he hasn’t purposed a lot of items just to lock in unions and vote by different groups. The democrats haven’t gotten the message yet that we have reached the peak of taxation. Today, every time taxes are raised we have taxpayers that are just giving up. They are saying the hell with working for the government all the time. And they decide to change from the giving end to the receiving end of the society. As Vyazma has pointed out. All you have to do is look at Europe to see where we are headed.
More than half. Most people don't vote. What does that tell you? Do you watch the interviews of people coming out of rallies? They say things like "he doesn't believe in being politically correct". What the hell does that mean? I've asked people what they mean by "wanting their america back". I get pretty weird answers.It tells me that people are disenchanted with the political status-quo. It tells me that the narrow opportunity to vote, about 12-13 hours on a workday is restrictive. Both of these reasons have been cited by numerous institutions as reasons people don't vote. Others would argue that not voting is a "vote". If I had to guess what people mean by wanting their America back it would probably have to do with the diminishing middle-class, the stagnant wages, the millions of jobs that have been outsourced overseas, the increasing amounts of foreign refugees and immigrants that are shoehorned into communities all over America. There's some reasons I would guess. You would have to ask those people that you met. I meet quite a few of them....those are their general reasons. Is there any reason you didn't capitalize America above? Is that just a typo?
A question for those who defend Trump. What, specifically, has he proposed that you think is good?What I think is good is that he hasn’t purposed a lot of items just to lock in unions and vote by different groups. Thanks for (not) clearing that up. I take it you have no idea what Trump has proposed, so I'll ask some specific questions. Why should we build a wall along the Mexican border to keep out illegal aliens? How will we build and maintain that wall? How will we ensure it does not pose a hazard to endangered species? Why is keeping Muslims out of our country a good idea? Explain the part of our Constitution that allows that. Donald Trump's businesses have gone bankrupt at least four times. How does that qualify him to be president? Who would Trump be likely to nominate to the Supreme court? In December Donald Trump said he would take out the families] of terrorists. By what ethical theory do you defend that?
The democrats haven’t gotten the message yet that we have reached the peak of taxation.Funny, I thought we reached the peak of taxation in the 1950s under Eisenhower.
Today, every time taxes are raised we have taxpayers that are just giving up. They are saying the hell with working for the government all the time. And they decide to change from the giving end to the receiving end of the society.Please provide evidence, other than anecdotes, to back this assertion.
As Vyazma has pointed out. All you have to do is look at Europe to see where we are headed.That's why I plan on voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary. The European model works much better than what we are currently doing.
The article starts out by saying that the assailant purportedly said those racist things.... That's all you need to know. After that we can play conjecture games about how Trump felt when he was cornered by the press demanding a reply for a possible contrivance. But the only thing we need to know about that article is...it starts out by saying that the assailant purportedly said those racist things.... That's it!No, it isn't. The important point is that Trump did not condemn the behavior, alleged or true, but that he described his followers as passionate, giving tacit approval to the assault. No Darron! And I figured there was a chance you would do this. That's why the line above...."after that we can play conjecture games...." is written. If you can't see the logic gap there then I'm wasting my time here. Do you not think that these political candidates have any experience with dealing with the press? You're stretching a fallacy here that was from something you read about in a magazine. You're playing the exact conjecture games that I said we would have to play...should you choose to open them. All I know is some reporters asked Donald Trump about some crime incident that he knew nothing about, was rumored to contain references to him, and what did he feel about it. That's it! And you make some huge leap of connect the dots. Like I said, if you can't tell what real journalism is and what spin and garbage is, I'm wasting my time.