You’re right, I have. I’ll put you on Ignore this time so I don’t have to see your repetitive ignorance.
Let me ask you this. At what point do right off a “Muslim". Do you assume that if an 8 year old girl...who doesn’t deserve a chance for a better life in a free country?You see you're coming at it from the wrong angle from my perspective. It's not at what point do I "write off" anyone. It's at what point do I "write them on". So to speak. I prefer to be concerned for people that already live in the US. Preferably citizens or people who are legally here. I'm one of the millions of people who feel that way. What are you saying I'm wrong and you're right? Why should I care about your "imaginary, contrived example" of a little girl? Is your example supposed to make it more heart wrenching? Give you more ability for you to foist guilt upon people? All you're doing is virtue signalling. That's it. It makes you feel important. Like you have a purpose. But it mostly allows you to take a "better than thou" attitude towards other people who don't share your views. Which is where you get to feel important. All of my points are contained above. They're all rock solid. All you can do is rail against them. All you've offered up against them is histrionics and bloviations. To any of my points above, all you've offered is deflections, and appeals to understand and adhere to your position. Lausten, successfully arguing your point cannot include an appeal to adhere or switch over to your stance. That's just proselytizing. That's not arguing your point. 1. I've stated that Islam is the least tolerant religion in the world. 2. Most of the countries that are either predominantly Muslim, or flat-out Islamic run theocracies are backwards, dangerous, and gross violators of human rights. 3. Most importantly, No citizen of any nation, including the US, is legally or morally obligated to desire or agree with the idea of refugees or immigrants coming here. That's it. You've got nothing but your desire to have them come here. Good for you. I on the other hand have a current political structure that is not so keen on them coming here. Democratically not so keen.
To sum up your three points; “those people are bad, and we don’t have to care". You may be able to live with that, but most people don’t feel that way. Even the most conservative churches will take in and care for a refugee, no matter where they come from. They just first need to feel some sort of connection to the person. On the national policy level, we also support that idea, although it’s in serious debate right now. I wouldn’t be so sure about your “current political structure". A majority of the Republican base might support your ideas, but they are not a majority of America by a long shot.
I feel pretty well connected to everyone, so it’s not a problem for me. You have some other sort of feeling that I don’t understand. I can intellectually follow your logic, but I can also see a lot of data and evidence that you leave out. Like immigrants and children of immigrants that have contributed to this nation. Like how we built this nation with slavery. Like how we carved up the MidEast after WWII. That our European ancestors killed a lot of the people who were here before.
So yes, I am right, and you are wrong. It’s wrong to simply look at the world as it is today, where everyone is and say that’s where they are supposed to be. There is nothing rock solid about that philosophy. It’s wrong to say that you or I deserve all the advantages we were given, simply because of where we were born and that we followed all the rules, or in my case, didn’t get caught breaking them. Actually, in my case, I did get caught a few times, but one of my advantages is that rich white kids used to get released to their parents. That’s still mostly true.
If you think I’m trying to be “heart wrenching", that’s your actual human feelings trying to get out. You actually do care, and thinking about a girl who is oppressed by her culture does actually bother you. You are realizing that you didn’t include that in your logical reasoning for hating all Muslims, oh sorry, the socio-political structure of Islamic states. But when you start to think about what it would take to do something about that, you don’t want to and your bad logic takes over. And yes, I also understand you better than you understand yourself, much in the same you think you are reading my mind.
That’s just more proselytizing.
Arguing an ideological or emotional standpoint from authority.
Sorry. Doesn’t work.
That's just more proselytizing. Arguing an ideological or emotional standpoint from authority. Sorry. Doesn't work.I'm not expecting anything from you. I'm just telling you that you are wrong. Mostly, I ignore you and Sam, and I will soon return to that. And I'm not an authority or citing authorities, so WTF are you talking about?
So yes, I am right, and you are wrong.Yes- right here you're arguing an emotional position from authority.
...so WTF are you talking about?Also you're using abbreviated terms for harsh language which tells me you're losing your cool. That's ugly. It's uncomfortable.
So yes, I am right, and you are wrong.Yes- right here you're arguing an emotional position from authority.
...so WTF are you talking about?Also you're using abbreviated terms for harsh language which tells me you're losing your cool. That's ugly. It's uncomfortable. You are a classic, first say horrible things about how you don't care about people if they don't share your exact same circumstances, then tell others not to get upset about it. I think the term is "tone policing". And, you break down definitions so nothing has any meaning, except whatever you say. Tolerance is not possible, because you can't be tolerant of everything, so be intolerant of whatever you want, no reasoning required. Pretend like no one ever thought of that before. And if someone expresses an opinion, ignore their argument, ignore their line of thinking, ignore the data, they are just claiming they are right, claiming authority they don't have. Techniques to get there; ask rhetorical questions or questions with obvious answers, then demand a response. Ignore their questions and the responses to any of your other questions. Like the ones that destroyed your argument and left you floundering. Attack the person, not the argument. I could on, but what would be the point?
I could (go) on, but what would be the point?That's what I've been trying to tell you.
I could (go) on, but what would be the point?That's what I've been trying to tell you. Nu-uh, it's what I've been telling you. I'm rubber you're glue.
Looks like I had to ignore quite a few of the recent posts on this thread that came to my email inbox recently; and I did not have time for quite a few that were worth reading. But let me make some general comments.
Like many others, I came to the USA from a country that has too much of injustice, hatred and atrocity against weak, innocent and non-violent humanity. Those acts were certainly from people, largely because what they had in their heads as their religions and traditions. Now, the USA is not perfect, but it is certainly far better than many other countries in terms of the human dignity and rights that citizens enjoy here. Do I want the kind of people that made my native country so bad to move here and spoil it here too? Well, I do not care which idiot here thinks what, but my answer is, hell no.
So, I am surely for immigration control to keep out bad elements. But, of course, I do not blame anyone for his/her birth; and being born in the wrong community is not a fault. However, believing in bad religious nonsense and/or bad traditions is a fault.
Anyway, that is all the time I have for this forum right now. Before saying bye for now, let me say that I do not care which participant here thinks what he/she is, I would continue to ignore rubbish adjectives/statements personally against me or against anyone else.
Nu-uh, it's what I've been telling you. I'm rubber you're glue.Let's leave it with this moment of what I hope is comical levity. Peace.
Nu-uh, it's what I've been telling you. I'm rubber you're glue.Let's leave it with this moment of what I hope is comical levity. Peace. Maybe you could take some time to look at how much we agreed. Sams comment, where he came here, but others from his country shouldn't, just blows me away. So no opening there.
Nu-uh, it's what I've been telling you. I'm rubber you're glue.Let's leave it with this moment of what I hope is comical levity. Peace. Maybe you could take some time to look at how much we agreed. Sams comment, where he came here, but others from his country shouldn't, just blows me away. So no opening there. I actually did not say that I did not want others from my native country to come to the USA. What I said was that I did not "want the kind of people that made my native country so bad to move here and spoil it here too." So, I do not want that kind, which obviously includes a lot of people from more than one country. As for my native country of Bangladesh, I appreciate that CFI has helped quite a few humanist bloggers from there to come to the USA for their safety. I have actually contributed some money for that purpose. I surely want the USA to take in as many of my native country's victims of Islamic atrocities as possible; and they would include non-Muslims, humanists of Muslim background and Muslims that are respectful of the human liberty in the USA. (All non-Muslims that I know are respectful of the human liberty in the USA.)
So you’re saying you can’t tell how good or bad a person is simply by their country of origin? That’s what I’ve been saying.
So you're saying you can't tell how good or bad a person is simply by their country of origin? That's what I've been saying.Since a lot of good, intelligent and wise people say that there is no such thing as a stupid question, I would answer your question by saying that I never wrote/said anything that meant that all people of any particular country are the same. In fact, about immigration of Syrians, I wrote that the USA should give preference to Christians and Yazidis over Muslims, as the former two religious groups have been indiscriminate targets of atrocities by the Islamic State barbarians. While there are Muslims who have been targeted due to the Islamic State considering them not Muslim enough, even among the moderate Muslims there are too many who are too much into Islam, and are not ready to assimilate with the Western liberty. Even in the absence of the terrorism problem, the West would need to be careful about how many Muslims they take in and how fast, so that the Western liberty would not be spoiled. At the present level of their religiosity, Muslims would create a lot of problems for humanity anywhere they have a big presence. For the last two sentences that I wrote earlier in this thread, you asked, "How do you not know you are a bigot?" Well, my friend, let me defy the popular wisdom and tell you that your question was utterly stupid.
So you can’t tell by country, but you can by religion? Did I get that right?
So you can't tell by country, but you can by religion? Did I get that right?You got that right. All religions are not the same. For example, Buddhism is no religion of prescriptions, quite unlike the Abrahamic religions. The great teacher Buddha gave a lot of advice for people to think about using their own minds, but did not ask/demand people to follow them blindly. Buddhism has no such thing as hell fire for not believing in an almighty. Aside from the flaws of religions, not all people are fanatic to the same extent about following what they have been brainwashed mostly in the childhood to think of as their religion. I gave this example many times: the West could not have almost a quarter of its population as atheists and agnostics without the Christians being better at applying their human intelligence and rationale on the Bible. I strongly believe that if people use their human intelligence and rationale on the religions, they would not even divide themselves in terms of religions, the world would be a much more peaceful place for humans to live in. (Now do not tell me that atheists also hate and do bad things for selfish gains - they certainly do not kill others or themselves for the purpose of protecting or promoting atheism.)
Yep. I think we’re done here.
Pakistan student killed over ‘blasphemy’ on university campus
My comment: Millions of excessively brainwashed religious morons provide the breeding grounds for the criminal mobs and terrorists for protecting and promoting Allah.
Pakistan student killed over 'blasphemy' on university campus http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39593302 My comment: Millions of excessively brainwashed religious morons provide the breeding grounds for the criminal mobs and terrorists for protecting and promoting Allah.Church in Alabama wants to create it's own police force] My comment. Brainwashed morons are everywhere. If we focus on a certain religion, then we are the brainwashed morons. The article ends with a comment by a Muslim comedian.
“But do you think if Muslims in Alabama asked to create their own police force to protect their mosque we would see the GOP members of the Alabama Legislature be as supportive as they are to the Briarwood church?"